The Catholic Church Requires Its Members to Respect Life, NOT Fiscal Fantasies.
I'm getting pretty tired of pundits and professed Catholic legislators trying to heap scorn on Boehner and Ryan for their proposed budget plans. I've even seen pundits try to bring up Papal encyclicals written in 1891 to make their case. I've got news for you, The Blessed Pope John Paul II got a major dose of fascism and communism since that time. The Church will not support a socialist agenda in real terms any time soon.
Recently a group of Catholic professors from "Catholic" universities got on the band wagon; disgraceful. Boehner and Ryan and their constituents have every right to believe that the poor will be helped by preventing a collapse of the economy from too much debt. Reasonable minds may differ, but to JUDGE them morally for their sincerely held beliefs is outrageous. It is desperate.
Where are these people on the life issues? They usually believe that it's better for the poor not to be born. They should figure out that one before they go around calling brave legislators bad catholics.
To me this is part of the woosificaton of our country. No one can make the tough calls. Men like Ryan and Boehner should be respected, debated, and voted for or against. To heap religious guilt upon them means you've lost the argument.
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May '11
Re: The Catholic Church Requires Its Members to Respect Life, NOT Fiscal Fantasies.
As a practicing Roman Catholic that travels a fair amount, I would estimate 30% - 50% of the priests in the United States are unrepentant Socialists. During the ObamaCare debate, I heard approximately five (5) sermons advocating for socialized medicine and zero (0) in opposition. It is difficult to believe the priests were not aware that Obamacare would fund abortions.
The right to life was jettisoned for "free" health care.
Don't even get me started on the sermons that rail against business, or cry out for another government program. . . too numerous to count.
Some times I wonder why I bother attending at all?
Dec '10
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Amen, Brother! I know plenty of devout socialists who live under the illusion that they're Catholics. They're big believers in their ability to mete out social justice. Just don't ask about the life issue.
Oct '10
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Most of these people believe the Republican plans would hurt the poor, simply because they are Republicans. No matter how much Paul Ryan tries to bias his reforms in favor of poor people, it is always dismissed out of hand (I think Ryan's ideas in that regard stand on their own merit, but we really should stop pointing that out to liberals--it's not like they'll ever believe it, anyway).
May '10
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It's religion by proxy. Jesus says care for the poor and the sick. Now, we're all much too busy to do that ourselves, aren't we? But we can vote into office others that do take from the rich and give to poor, so that saves us, right?
When judgment comes, I guess will see if God buys that argument.
Jan '11
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Despite Blessed John Paul II, American Catholics still live in a post-Vatican II world and the fruit of that false council continues to bedevil HMC.
The priest-pedophile scandal of the last 15 years has only been the most egregious example. The fall in Church vocations, influence and authority since 1962 are all undeniable signs of a literal fall from grace.
It is no surprise that professors at Catholic universities volunteer to act as useful idiots for the secular Democrats who profit by attacks on Boehner and Ryan. The teaching that these "beards" profess in their classrooms is utterly of this world, and acknowledges no other.
Morality requires judging. The real question concerns the values that you base your morality on - the always tolerant inner light or something much greater, external and more demanding.
Edited on May 18, 2011 at 8:32pmJun '10
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Irony: Some Profs Chiding Boehner Have Campaigned for Pro-Choice Pols
Also: They always assume that the money I send to the US Treasury is not the money I would've given to the local foodshelf, if it was still in my pocket. The difference is, the foodshelf doesn't waste half of it first, before they help anybody.
Jul '10
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I learned the peace at all costs, unilateral disarmament hymns under Reagan in priest-taught university classes, ostensibly covering other topics. Oddly enough, they were not very familiar with scripture. It was a bizarre experience studying Augustine, Aquinas, and taking these chuckleheads all in the same year.
Mar '11
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The left is so pernicious when it worms its way into foundational institutions such as the Catholic Church. I only pray that there will be a holy backlash to this crude usurpation of what is meant to represent the divine.
Jun '10
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etoiledunord: ...
... the foodshelf doesn't waste half of it first, before they help anybody.
Only half?
The other thing that charities don't do (if you pick them carefully) is use your own money against you.
And don't forget the rat-holes our aristos pour our money down.
Oh, and the hobby horses, did I mention them?
Jun '10
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Joe Escalante
... The Blessed Pope John Paul II got a major dose of fascism and communism since that time. The Church will not support a socialist agenda in real terms any time soon. ...
So true -- and also, he had many years as Pope. During that time he really moved the center of the Church away from the evil aspects of the Left. He did it with great insight, love and through the miracle of continuous prayer.
His life -- before as well as during his Pontificate -- is proof that God works through His saints.
I think the movie "John Paul II" with Jon Voight as Karol Wojtyła is superb and spiritually very uplifting. Highly recommend it.
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Jon Voight as JPII was excellent, true. I've found that if you go to a parish that does not have daily confessions, you are in trouble. If they offer it only on Saturdays for 90 min. turn around and look for another parish to join. My church has 2 or 3 priests hearing confessions during all masses. They have 5 priests total and 6 masses per day, and 9 on sunday. The priests are not in the least in favor of Obamacare, or Obama-anything else.
How do you find a parish like this? I think the key is the confessional. We are blessed, but there are more of these parishes out there. If you are in the L.A. O.C. area, you can join me at St. Peter Chanel in Hawaiian Gardens, CA, but if you aren't here, try the confessional trick. Keep looking until you find the right parish. The problem with the Church is not that there aren't enough Catholics. There are probably too many. There is no need for the tepid ones.
Another positive sign is Cardinal Mahoney's replacement, the Opus Dei formed Jose Gomez.
Nov '10
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I know the type intimately: they are almost all '68-ers, part of the generation whose formation took place in the heady years immediately following Vatican II. Being leftists and therefore prone to conflate 'primacy of conscience' with narcissistic pique, they identify less with the Church and more with the leftist intellectuals from whom they have always sought validation. No surprise that this aging cohort of progressivists makes a senile fetish of its youthful avant-gardism. Unfortunately, their malign legacy will persist in consequences that will require generations to heal.
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Pray for them.
May '11
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There is reason to be hopeful. Young men entering priesthood today are more orthodox, politically conservative and authentically masculine. This is good for the future of the Church. 20 years from now, when all the deadwood falls off, what is left will be the John Paul II generation of priests. Can't wait to see what things look like then.
Great traditional parish in philly: http://ourladylourdes.org/
Jun '10
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This deadwood -- you have to feel sorry for many of the priests who went through this cultural storm that swept this country in the late 1960s and 1970s. No compass, no solid ground to stand on.
Then God brought us Pope John Paul II. Slowly, slowly, the ship of state (Vatican one, anyway) was turned, it stabilized and the Spirit manifested as it always does. God is ever New.