Liberals adhere to no philosophy.  They adhere to what they think are acceptable sound bites.  The problem is some of their sound bites are completely incongruous with other of their sound bites.

Socrates would have a field day questioning a tweeting Hollywood liberal. The ill-tempered Russell Crowe proves the point.

Circumcision being at the prepuce of California politics, Crowe decided to lop off a couple of sound bites about the issue:

Crowe circumcise

Wow!  A pronouncement by Crowe about the “perfection of babies” and his belief in God in the same tweet!  Append this to the Good Book itself!

So perfect are babies that Crowe is piqued at the thought of doing any harm to them, including removing a piece of skin in a religious ceremony.

Harm a baby, deal with the Gladiator.

Yet in his next tweet, the beautiful mind lost all interest in the perfection of babies and his refusal to harm even one piece of skin on them:

Crowe Abortion

If Crowe believed in the perfection of babies, it would carry over into all his thoughts, including abortion.   That philosophy would guide his answer to every question.  It would be impossible for him to make his later tweet if he believed what he said in his first.

Unfortunately, liberals don’t care how absurdly  inharmonious their sound bites are, so long as they match perfectly the disharmony coming from the sound bites of other liberals.

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Diane Ellis, Ed.

This reminds me of an Episcopal minister I once heard speak on the topic of abortion at Dartmouth.  He explained that he was pro-choice because he was a brand new father himself and he loved babies so much that he couldn't bear the thought of a baby being born into a situation where he wasn't loved. 

jhimmi
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jhimmi

I heard about this and thought exactly the same thing. I guess to assuage his conscience, he draws a hard distinction between inside or outside the womb.

The progressive solution, of course, would be to perform circumcision inside the womb. Then it would just be another personal, inoffensive medical procedure.

AmishDude
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Dec '10
AmishDude

I'm liking this circumcision "debate".  Like Dennis Prager says, he prefers clarity to agreement and I think a lot of things are becoming very very clear.

The most effective way to tear down the Left is to reveal the cognitive dissonance they have to endure everyday.

Pointing out that they are more authoritarian, doctrinaire and oppressive than the religious (and by this they only mean Christian) people they so disdain doesn't hurt either.

Also, these people really have to have somebody in their lives who stands up and says, "You're stupid, Russell.  Not just on this, but on everything.  Stupid.  Stu-pid. Not average, Russell, below average. You actually undermine your beliefs by expressing them.  By you being for something, you convince others to be against it because of your stupidity."

Even the triumphant Roman generals had such a person.

bereket kelile
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Oct '10
bereket kelile

What is the 'interpretation' that Crowe is referring to? There are explicit passages in the Old Testament where the practice is commanded by God. Whether you're Jewish or not it's unreasonable to say that they began this practice based on an 'interpretation' of what God said.

KC Mulville
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KC Mulville

Forced motherhood? 

Why do abortion advocates always start their analysis after the sex? That is, their moral argument starts with a woman who's already pregnant, as if her pregnancy were some mysterious condition that happened spontaneously. They never include the morality of having sex (without being prepared for the consequences) as part of the whole question.

It's like advising John Dillinger about what to do with stolen property ... but never addressing how he shouldn't have robbed the bank in the first place. 

Is society trapping unsuspecting woman and forcing them to become mothers against their will? Well, no. The women are having sex, apparently willing to take the chance that it will lead to pregnancy, and when the chance turns to reality, they (and their partner) don't want to take responsibility for the chance they took.

But why should a woman (or teenage girl) be forced to take so much responsibility for such a trivial act? Well, it isn't a trivial act ... that's what we've been saying for several thousand years. Sex leads to making human beings, and while the sex may seem trivial, the human being isn't.

Mel Foil
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etoiledunord

I have no doubt that male Hollywood actors are big fans of abortion. Abortion was invented by men to help incurable womanizers avoid having to provide food and shelter for the children they never wanted, from the women they never loved. If someone else has to die to make their life easier, then so be it.


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Max Jenkins

 I don't think I would characterize Crowe's comments as stupid.  Rather, they reflect the herd instinct which exemplifies what trendy lefties pass off as thought.  I doubt he could be such a fine actor - which he is - and be "stupid," per se.  The fact that he was clearly defensive in his bumpersticker on abortion ("you got it? dont like it then bye") demonstrates that even he might understand the logical absurdity of his position.

The truculence is genuine, I guess, but does not speak well of him, either. Pity, really, since I do enjoy his movies. 

Stuart Creque
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Stuart Creque

 Soon after Crowe's anti-circumcision tweets, he reversed himself pretty dramatically:
Hollywood star Russell Crowe apologized Friday after an apparent anti-circumcision tirade on Twitter, as a Jewish friend he was exchanging tweets with defended him.

While the friend said the remarks had been blown out of proportion by journalists, the Oscar-winning actor took down a series of entries on his Twitter feed from Thursday, and said he was sorry to anyone he had offended.

"I have a deep and abiding love for all people of all nationalities, I'm very sorry that I have said things on here that have caused distress," he wrote on the microblogging website.

"My personal beliefs aside, I realize that some will interpret this debate as me mocking the rituals and traditions of others. I am very sorry."

Someone may have pointed out to him that fellow Australian Mel Gibson had some trouble in Hollywood when he insulted Jews.  But I think someone whispered in Crowe's ear, "Russell, you know that Muslims circumcise their sons too."

Whereas insulting Jewish rituals may be harmful to one's Hollywood career, insulting Muslim rituals may be harmful to one's health -- maybe even fatal.

Tommy De Seno
etoiledunord: I have no doubt that male Hollywood actors are big fans of abortion. Abortion was invented by men to help incurable womanizers avoid having to provide food and shelter for the children they never wanted, from the women they never loved. If someone else has to die to make their life easier, then so be it. · Jun 14 at 10:13am

What a terrific argument!   It should be used more often.   If we make the case that abortion is something men do to cheat women out of their children so they can have sex with them and leave them, feminist groups like NOW may have to turn against it! 

AmishDude
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AmishDude

I doubt he could be such a fine actor - which he is - and be "stupid," per se.

I don't.  I've known some people who have gone on to be professional actors, having been an amateur myself.

Of course, I have pretty high standards for "not stupid" and a fairly narrow metric for measuring it.

Moreover, if you're going to express your opinions as if they matter, you'd better be pretty far above the "stupid" bar.  Who the hell is he?  Does he have expertise, does he have any particular intellectual credentials of any kind?  And that's on top of the actual weird and/or crazy things he actually has done.

Kenneth
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Kenneth
etoiledunord: I have no doubt that male Hollywood actors are big fans of abortion. Abortion was invented by men to help incurable womanizers avoid having to provide food and shelter for the children they never wanted, from the women they never loved. If someone else has to die to make their life easier, then so be it. · Jun 14 at 10:13am

Huh?  That totally ignores the choices the woman makes - to have irresponsible sex and to dispose of the consequences.  A man may be able to influence a woman's choice to abort, but in final analysis, it is she who chose to have sex without birth control and she who chose to make the appointment at Planned Parenthood.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

Tommy De Seno

etoiledunord: I 

What a terrific argument!   It should be used more often.   If we make the case that abortion is something men do to cheat women out of their children so they can have sex with them and leave them, feminist groups like NOW may have to turn against it!  · Jun 14 at 11:31am

About 7 years ago, I was working on a research project that gave me daily exposure to 20-something undergraduate students. One young lady was a big Bill Clinton fan. One day, out of the blue, she started talking about how great it was that Bill was pro choice. My response:

"Doesn't it creep you out when a serial adulterer is a big, big fan of a woman's right to choose abortion?" Momentary silence, a glimmer of recognition, the slow grinding gears of the tumblers of the mind, and a small, pale voice: ya know, I never really thought of it that way."

She's just one or two creeps away from becoming a real conservative.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

Tommy De Seno

etoiledunord: I have no doubt that male Hollywood actors are big fans of abortion. Abortion was invented by men to help incurable womanizers avoid having to provide food and shelter for the children they never wanted, from the women they never loved. If someone else has to die to make their life easier, then so be it. · Jun 14 at 10:13am

What a terrific argument!   It should be used more often.   If we make the case that abortion is something men do to cheat women out of their children so they can have sex with them and leave them, feminist groups like NOW may have to turn against it!  · Jun 14 at 11:31am

Be sure to reread the passages in Paul Johnson's Intellectuals when he recounts the treatment of various "buns in the oven" of certain notorious members of the left.


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Abdiel

Ignoring the content of his tweet, I find it interesting how unlikeable celebrities can be when they try to talk about serious issues.

"who are you to correct nature?"

"I will always stand for the perfection of babies, I will always believe in God, not man's interpretations of what God requires."

"you got it? don't like it then bye."

It's like actors take their worst demagogic roles from their movies and use them to express their own political views. The end result is very unappealing.

StickerShock
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StickerShock

"What a terrific argument!   It should be used more often.   If we make the case that abortion is something men do to cheat women out of their children so they can have sex with them and leave them, feminist groups like NOW may have to turn against it! "

This is a part of the argument that Feminsits For Life make.

http://feministsforlife.org/ 

Women Deserve Better.

Paul DeRocco
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Paul DeRocco

I suppose he's subscribed to the idea that a fetus suddenly becomes a baby at the instant the second foot is pulled from the birth canal.

Not that I really give one-and-a-half hoots what Russell Crowe thinks. Shut up and act.

Chris Deleon
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May '10
Chris Deleon

Twitter dumbs you down even more than you already are.  Actually, it takes a LOT of intelligence to use Twitter properly.

Or, you could say, Twitter forces you to get to the point and say what you really think.  "you got it? don't like it then bye" ?  Loser talk.

reidspoorhouse
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Apr '11
reidspoorhouse

 The entire abortion debate boggles the rules of logic, wipes it out, destroys it.  If you want to test this try this experiment: I have, with an admittedly small sample, ask a peta member about his opinion on abortion.  What you'll find is an amazing disregard for an unborn human being.  It seems a large percentage of those opposed to the death penalty are also pro choice.  Spare the quilty, and kill the innocent.  Abortion is legal, but after a "botched" abortion killing the baby is illegal?  That alone is an amazing fact. You would hope that the argument would at least be intellectually honest, but it isn't.  I would have more respect for the pro choice crowd if they would at least admit that they're killing a human being, and not a tumor.

reidspoorhouse
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reidspoorhouse

 Also speaking of the death penalty, and the argument about the chemicals used to dispatch the criminal possibly causing pain so anti-death penalty advocates wish to stop the procedure.  No logic there either.  Anyone who has had an outpatient procedure such as a colorectal exam while under anesthetic knows that you feel nothing, and often wake up like you've just had the best vacation ever.  They are being, with that argument, completely and totally dishonest.  If they wish to really consider pain, how about the pain that an unborn baby surely feels when it is being torn and sucked to pieces.


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