Yes, I know.  According to a lot on our side, he doesn't really mean it...

But these are the right words.

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Leigh
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Leigh

One good line, for 2012:  "I don’t want to transform America; I want to restore the values of economic freedom."

Dave Carter

Another good portion: 

Where my vision believes in the ingenuity of the American people, his vision trusts the wisdom of political appointees and boards, commissions and czars. It’s one in which ordinary Americans must get permission from people in Washington before they can buy, build, invest or hire.

Thanks for highlighting this, Duane.  

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole

Barack Obama gave pretty speeches too.  Doesn't make him a friend of freedom.

Palaeologus
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Palaeologus

You're darn tootin' those are the right words, Duane.

To wit:

Over the last three and a half years, record numbers of Americans have lost their jobs or simply disappeared from the work force. Record numbers of Americans are living in poverty today – over 46 million of our fellow Americans are living below the poverty line.

This is not just a failure of policy; it is a moral failure of tragic proportions. Our government has an absolute moral commitment to help every American help themselves and today, that fundamental commitment has been broken.

DocJay
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DocJay

Barrack Obama was never anything but a taker, agitator, and America hater from the word go Fred. Romney is not the free market libertarian many would want but if you cannot see the difference financially between he and Obama you'll just have to wait around until he gets in and discuss his policies then.

Palaeologus
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Palaeologus
Fred Cole: Barack Obama gave pretty speeches too.  Doesn't make him a friend of freedom. · 8 minutes ago

True.

Which candidate is more likely to take markets seriously, and which is more likely to denounce economic realities as "greed?"

Edward Smith
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Edward Smith

The difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney has actually lived much of what he said.

Midget Faded Rattlesnake
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Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Yes. The words are very good.

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole
DocJay: Barrack Obama was never anything but a taker, agitator, and America hater from the word go Fred. Romney is not the free market libertarian many would want but if you cannot see the difference financially between he and Obama you'll just have to wait around until he gets in and discuss his policies then. · 22 minutes ago

Part of me wants Romney to win so I can loudly complain about him here on Ricochet.

DocJay
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DocJay

Fred, if he wins then patriots of all flavors should keep his feet to the fire. I heartily welcome your analysis if he unseats the chosen one.

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

Duane Oyen: ....

But these are the right words.

Agreed. Most voters don't think deeply about political philosophy or economics. But they do think about "right and wrong." Every issue is a moral issue, and most folks understand that.


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Jager
Fred Cole: Barack Obama gave pretty speeches too.  Doesn't make him a friend of freedom. 

I would rather have some one like Romney who understands business and profits than someone like Obama who demonizes business and profit. 

Is Romney great? No. Will you have more freedom under Romeny than under a 2nd term of Omaba? I think absolutely. Remember Obama relected does not have to care about anyone's opinion, he never has to face reelection  again. 

Instugator
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Instugator

Fred Cole

DocJay: Barrack Obama was never anything but a taker, agitator, and America hater from the word go Fred. Romney is not the free market libertarian many would want but if you cannot see the difference financially between he and Obama you'll just have to wait around until he gets in and discuss his policies then. · 22 minutes ago

Part of me wants Romney to win so I can loudly complain about him here on Ricochet. · 1 hour ago

Does the other part want Obama to win so you can complain about him too? You might not get to do it loudly, though, what with all of the drones his administration is using to keep tabs on everyone.

Or will you join the Johnson administration in exile?

Edited on June 8, 2012 at 7:09am
Fred Cole
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Fred Cole

Instugator

Does the other part want Obama to win so you can complain about him too? 

Do you ever hear me complain about Obama here?  Very rarely.  I'm bored of complaining about Obama.

Look, great, Romney gives a pretty speech that does exactly what it's supposed to do: Give people like you guys freedom [redacted] and get you to loudly exclaim "He gets it!"

Forgive me, but some politician flapping his gums telling people what they want to hear doesn't excite me and certainly doesn't prove anything to me.

Great.  He's pro markets and pro freedom.  Unless those markets and freedom include something he disagrees with.

Edited on June 8, 2012 at 5:25pm
Indaba
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Indaba

That speech makes me want to move to the USA and do business with a political leader who appreciates the business entrepreneur. He is spelling out the clear future of a dominant government run economy which sucks the best talent away from private business and also tax money for benefits packages you would not believe possible. The union socialist types will argue back that it is free enterprise sending jobs and private equity money to China and India, that government creates jobs so that people have a living salary. I hope Romney addresses those points as well.

Barkha Herman
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Barkha Herman
Fred Cole: Barack Obama gave pretty speeches too.  Doesn't make him a friend of freedom. · 12 hours ago

Depends on what you call "pretty".  Redistribution is an ugly word in my book.  And a nebulous Hope and Change never did anything for me either.

True that I am not all that excited about Romney - his record as a Governor seems dismal.  However, I am willing to,  for at-least the short term - or till Patri has the first SeaSteading platform ready, resist my urge towards total anarchy and vote.  After all, if I am going to live in this country and pay taxes - might as well play the game.

Mitt's words are more hopeful than Obama's slogan.

Mel Foil
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Mel Foil
Fred Cole: Barack Obama gave pretty speeches too.  Doesn't make him a friend of freedom.

But most people didn't know back then that Obama was a serial liar. Romney doesn't have that reputation. At least not yet.

Barkha Herman
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Barkha Herman

Fred Cole

Forgive me, but some politician flapping his gums telling people what they want to hear doesn't excite me and certainly doesn't prove anything to me.

Yeah - so life is more than what excites you, thank goodness!  Here I thought that only Obama zombies were looking to vote with their pants.

How about making rational choices between two available options?  Or, we could all hold our breaths and hope for a messiah....

As for me,  I'd rather play the hand that I am dealt.

dittoheadadt
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dittoheadadt

Fred Cole

DocJay: Barrack Obama was never anything but a taker, agitator, and America hater from the word go Fred. Romney is not the free market libertarian many would want but if you cannot see the difference financially between he and Obama you'll just have to wait around until he gets in and discuss his policies then. · 22 minutes ago

Part of me wants Romney to win so I can loudly complain about him here on Ricochet. · 11 hours ago

Why wait 'til then? He hasn't won yet, yet that hasn't prevented the loud complaining here.


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Jager

Barkha Herman

True that I am not all that excited about Romney - his record as a Governor seems dismal. 

I hate Romney Care. That said Romney's record as Governor has a lot of good things. With a huge Democrat advantage in the Legislature, Romeny brought down unemployment, cut taxes and reduced deficits.  At times the Dems had a veto proof majority in the Legislature. So Mitt had to work to get Dems to support him.

 The ability to get bipartisan support to decrease unemployment, cut spending, cut taxes and reduce deficits. 

We could do a lot worse, like Obama.


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