"Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
Already there are over 1 million Google hits for "Oslo Shooter Right Winger." He wrote some things against "multiculturalism," though media reluctantly concedes he wrote nothing violent about it.
Over at Gateway Pundit there is a story about how the far left is already trying to tie the shooter to...wait for it...Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.
They note that Reuters uses the term "right-wing" 25 times in one story.
MSNBC has too many stories running on the shooter's right wing connections for me to link to.
Funny how this stuff plays out. When the Fort Hood shooter was obviously Muslim we were told to draw no connection to his motives.
When the Holocaust Museum shooter was first identified, media thought out loud about his being a right wing extremist, but when his views were shown to be left wing, stories about his ideology stopped cold.
When that pilot who ran his plane into the IRS building in Texas was first identified media thought out loud about his being a right wing extremist, but when his views were shown to be left wing, stories about his ideology stopped cold.
They are camparing him to Timothy McVeigh, whose anti-government views were no more right wing than left wing. Expect media to pair them as twins and use them to diminish the threat of Islamoterrorism.
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Dec '10
Re: "Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
It should be noted that Al Qaeda, et al. thought he was one of theirs. They claimed credit and cited it as revenge for any number of Norway's "sins".
If I know my European politics, this guy was all for socialism, he just didn't want it going to foreigners.
Dec '10
Re: "Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
And let us not forget the flurry over Loughner, whose mother worked for the county and was thus an SEIU union member (they unionized a few years ago) and who held vaguely anti-American views if anything coherent could be gleaned from what passed for his politics. He was a fan of truther movies, including Loose Change. There was no evidence whatsoever that he had even heard of Sarah Palin (seriously, no mention one way or the other) but he was definitely marinated in left-wing views.
Jun '10
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I agree. Here we go. The MSM will do all they can to link this evil nut to mainstream conservatism (conveniently forgetting that our godfather, Edmund Burke, argued against the political violence of the French Revolution), that conservatives are peaceful folks, and that political violence (read Anne Coulter's new book) is primarily a left-wing phenomenon.
And precisely how do they define "right-wing"?
Apr '11
Re: "Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
How do they define "right-wing"?
As I posted in another thread:
That neighbor, the one who attended that Tax Day rally? He might be the next Anders Behring Breivik.
That other neighbor that belongs to the NRA? The next Anders Behring Breivik.
The Uncle to complains about the government being too big? Anders Behring Breivik.
In other words, with a brush the width of an interstate highway.
Dec '10
Re: "Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
"Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people think on the island that it was a test ... comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza. So many people went to him and tried to talk to him, but they were shot immediately." - Adrian Pracon
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-23/norway-in-quotes/2807306
As an aside, this youth camp was teaching all kinds of interesting things.
Jul '10
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He is a publicity seeker. The shooting is the media's fault for their covering the shooting. The supposed right wing ties all planted as part of the vast left wing conspiracy. Where will their perfidy end???
Edited on Jul 23, 2011 at 4:43pmApr '11
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AmishDude: "Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people think on the island that it was a test ... comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza. So many people went to him and tried to talk to him, but they were shot immediately." - Adrian Pracon
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-23/norway-in-quotes/2807306
As an aside, this youth camp was teaching all kinds of interesting things. · Jul 23 at 4:39pm
What the?
Wowser.
Apr '11
Re: "Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
Sisyphus: He is a publicity seeker. The shooting is the media's fault for their covering the shooting. The supposed right wing ties all planted as part of the vast left wing conspiracy. Where will their perfidy end??? · Jul 23 at 4:43pm
Edited on Jul 23 at 04:43 pm
An interesting interpretation. Assuming it had anything to do with the thread.
Dec '10
Re: "Right Winger" Chant Over Oslo Shooter Has Begun
tabula rasa: I agree. Here we go. The MSM will do all they can to link this evil nut to mainstream conservatism (conveniently forgetting that our godfather, Edmund Burke, argued against the political violence of the French Revolution), that conservatives are peaceful folks, and that political violence (read Anne Coulter's new book) is primarily a left-wing phenomenon.
And precisely how do they define "right-wing"? · Jul 23 at 4:13pm
I think the problem here is that Marxism is very explicit in the utility of political violence. There are specific goals in mind. In particular, they hope to create enough chaos so that they can take over. A "lone nut" motivated by "elevated rhetoric" isn't nearly the same thing.
Europe often turns to fascism, though. They repress even the mildest political incorrectness (no first amendment) and the true fascism goes underground, where it grows until it explodes.
One thing to note is that Breivik has learned the lesson they taught him. If you are violent, you are given deference. I think he is quite sure that they will appease him and his friends.
Aug '10
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As I commented on Claire's thread I'm troubled and intrigued by the reports that this guy was a "Christian Fundamentalist"-apparently based on comments made by an unidentified police source and leapt upon by a European media/polity that in large parts wishes to purge society of all religion (the " peaceful" one excepted). I have seen not a scintilla of proof that religion was relevant to this slaughter at all; that Breivik invoked Christian scripture or teachings to justify violence; that he communicated with other "Christians" about any violent plans or intentions;that he shouted any "Christian" mantra in the course of his shooting-spree (no equivalent of "Allahu Akbar"). No Christians anywhere will celebrate or condone this outrage (unless one categorises anyone baptised in early childhood a lifelong "Christian", fundamentalist or otherwise).If Breivik was a neo-Nazi then Christianity definitely was no part of his mindset. "Right-wing" has a very different meaning in Europe than in the US. In Europe economic and social issues don't really feature. It's more about immigration, to which any opposition at all is often deemed "extreme"- see Geert Wilders,etc. The only Europeans on the streets protesting economic issues are avowedly Socialist.There is no Tea Party or counterpart.
May '11
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I see here.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-24/violent-video-game-link-to-norway-attacks/2808018
..... that this guy was a violent video game fan, want to bet how much we hear about this angle?
Mar '11
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I think Geller's coverage of this needs to be read.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/who-added-christian-and-conservative-to-norway-shooters-facebook-page-yesterday.html
THis guy was a neo-nazi. Lumping him with a moderate guy like me (the media would call me "far right") is offensive.
But muslim terror groups considered the attack a wonderful thing. I think they are jealous that one man was so comparatively competent.
Oct '10
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One line I have heard already is "why isn't anyone on the Right denouncing this?" As if to brand every non-progressive an accomplice.
For one, the story is brand-spanking new. Second, relatively few Americans read Norwegian.
FWIW, the spokesperson for the Fremskrittspartiet (the "right-wing" party whom Breivik did have associations with at one time) did issue a statement (in Norwegian, of course) denouncing the violence, giving history of Breivik's associations with the FrP (2001-1003), and regret that someone who was one of their own could do something like this.
No one in the American press has covered this yet. From what I've scanned of articles in Norway's Aftenposten, I have yet to come across mention of the FrP's statement. But then again, the Norwegian press is very much an organ of the state with its penchant for PC.
So, the real question should be, "Why isn't the press covering all the angles?"
Feb '11
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Our side has prescripted lines as well. "If one of those youth camp folks had had a gun and known how to use it..."
Mar '11
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Watching this on the BBC in the UK - the bomber/shooter is basically against Muslim immigration and multiculturalism, and is being portrayed as "far-right" and "neo-Nazi".
Already, some panelists on the news programs are comparing him to the Tea Party in the USA and the Republicans blocking Mr Obama's brave attempts to save the US economy - of course the BBC is well-known to be biased to the left - much further than NPR, and with much better quality programs. With Mr Murdoch's demise, the BBC is becoming more of a monopoly, but it's OK because everyone in the UK with a TV has to pay a licence fee, or face fines and prison.
Ideally, everyone would have read Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism", and know the real meaning of right and left, liberty and tyranny - but not much hope of that.
Crossing threads - why I am not an optimist, at the moment.
Edited on Jul 24, 2011 at 2:04amJun '11
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Yes. Jonah Goldberg explains that National SOCIALISM is a left-wing phenomenon. The media, as always, is getting it wrong.
Edited on Jul 24, 2011 at 3:49amDec '10
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Yes, Charles, I was thinking the same. The report I read emphasized "Christian fundamentalist" every bit as much as "right-winger". Apparently when left-wingers proclaim what they are, all evidence to the contrary (Obama for spending cuts, Obama bipartisan, Obama non-ideological pragmatic...), we're just supposed to nod our heads and accept the "truth" of it. So when a "fundamentalist Christian" goes on a murderous rampage, contrary to the whole life-giving salvific and merciful mission of Christ, we're well trained to accept the lie. We live in interesting times.
Jun '10
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It's my impression that the more "Christian" you are--the more you try to imitate Christ (e.g. Mother Teresa)--the less involved, or even interested in party politics you are. You're busy looking upward--not down into the political gutter. That's how I know I'm no saint. I still care about American politics too much. But I'm not going to shoot, or even punch, anybody over it.
Oct '10
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Also, a lot of people on this side of the Atlantic do not understand Norwegian politics nor their struggles with immigration issues. The frustrations arising from the interplay of a demographic that handles its host culture roughly and the kid glove treatment brought on by PC in the government and those that steer the culture means something like this was unfortunately bound to happen.
Another thing to consider: because European politics generally lean to the left, anything deemed "far right" would be considered "moderate" by American standards. Even folk like the FrP subscribe to a good part of Norway's entrenched economic entitlements and most of its social mindset. But since they deviate from the status quo in terms of immigration issues, they are labeled "extremists."
People here have mentioned Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, but to get a better grasp of what's going on here, especially on the immigration scene, I would recommend Bruce Bawer's While Europe Slept.
May '11
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..... then maybe the number of kids who died would be a LOT less?
I noticed that the real cops showed up with guns, not with white flags....?