Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
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October 23, 2012 at 7:42pm
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Comments:
Jun '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Repealing Obamacare is certainly the most desired outcome, but is dependent on Republican control of the US Senate and getting around a Dem filibuster.
Nov '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Ya'll are crazy if you think Romney can outright "repeal" Obamacare. He would have to have 60 votes in the Senate (not going to happen) or 51 votes for the so-called "nuclear option" to change the rules and allow a floor vote. I'm doubting we'll even get a bare majority, and if we did, there's no way that bunch of mostly spineless wimps would pull the trigger on the nuclear option.
If by "repeal" you mean piecemeal amendments that considerably weaken Obamacare, allow for HSA's and portability and allow both sides to proclaim victory, then sure, he can "repeal" Obamacare.
As for "Reforming the tax code by lowering rates and capping deductions," that's a no-brainer. You're essentially asking "can Romney convince Congress to raise taxes while looking like they are lowering taxes?" The dead turtles at the bottom of my pond could get THAT done.
Don't get me wrong, I like Romney, but let's get real here, folks. He's a transitional figure, not transformational.
Sep '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Doug Lee: Ya'll are crazy if you think Romney can outright "repeal" Obamacare. He would have to have 60 votes in the Senate (not going to happen) or 51 votes for the so-called "nuclear option" to change the rules and allow a floor vote. I'm doubting we'll even get a bare majority, and if we did, there's no way that bunch of mostly spineless wimps would pull the trigger on the nuclear option.
If by "repeal" you mean piecemeal amendments that considerably weaken Obamacare, allow for HSA's and portability and allow both sides to proclaim victory, then sure, he can "repeal" Obamacare.
If I understand correctly, the heavy lifting to repeal Obamacare could likely be done through reconcilliation (with 51 votes), so the "nuclear option" would not be necessary. It would be quite ironic, actualy, since renconciliation was an important part of passing the law.
Feb '11
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
He better do #1 by repeal or negation, or there'll be H-E-double-toothpicks to pay.
Edited on October 23, 2012 at 9:06pmFeb '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Complete repeal of Obamacare might take a while, like getting us closer to 60 votes in the Senate. I don't think it can be fully repealed by reconciliation.
Medicare I think would be the second hardest. Tax reform the easiest.
May '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Choice #5
Business as usual, nothing gets accomplished besides John Boehner working on his tan, and the members of congress feathering their nests.
Aug '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Doug Lee: It's "y'all" singular, "all y'all" plural. And no, I'm not crazy. How many Dems are going to go out on a limb for Obamacare after "The One" is one and done? How do you think the Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate in 2010? There will be the usual smattering of inner-city Dems talking up Obamacare, but many others do not want to be associated with the legislation that passed without a single Republican vote.
Romney will need to come up with an alternative plan, get bipartisan support before sending it for a vote. He should be able to persuade Congress to freeze the program for at least several months while they hash it out.
Apr '11
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Doug Lee: Ya'll are crazy if you think Romney can outright "repeal" Obamacare. He would have to have 60 votes in the Senate (not going to happen) or 51 votes for the so-called "nuclear option" to change the rules and allow a floor vote. I'm doubting we'll even get a bare majority, and if we did, there's no way that bunch of mostly spineless wimps would pull the trigger on the nuclear option.
If by "repeal" you mean piecemeal amendments that considerably weaken Obamacare, allow for HSA's and portability and allow both sides to proclaim victory, then sure, he can "repeal" Obamacare.
As for "Reforming the tax code by lowering rates and capping deductions," that's a no-brainer. You're essentially asking "can Romney convince Congress to raise taxes while looking like they are lowering taxes?" The dead turtles at the bottom of my pond could get THAT done.
Don't get me wrong, I like Romney, but let's get real here, folks. He's a transitional figure, not transformational. · 1 hour ago
I am afraid you are right.
Apr '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Nick Stuart: Choice #5
Business as usual, nothing gets accomplished besides John Boehner working on his tan, and the members of congress feathering their nests. · 19 minutes ago
I see you're an optimist.
Aug '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Spud O'Chez: Doug Lee: It's "y'all" singular, "all y'all" plural. And no, I'm not crazy. How many Dems are going to go out on a limb for Obamacare after "The One" is one and done? How do you think the Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate in 2010? There will be the usual smattering of inner-city Dems talking up Obamacare, but many others do not want to be associated with the legislation that passed without a single Republican vote.
Romney will need to come up with an alternative plan, get bipartisan support before sending it for a vote. He should be able to persuade Congress to freeze the program for at least several months while they hash it out. · 21 minutes ago
Good one, Spud. Hope you don't mind if I steal it.
Apr '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
The Southern American dialect is not uniform on this. My understanding is that your version originated in Texas, and I have found that it is spreading; however, many old-line Southrons might look at you funny. They would accept your rudeness in correcting them with politesse, but that does not mean they would follow your custom on the matter.
There are two other variants in the South. One is that "you" is singular and "y'all" is plural. The last variant is much more difficult to find these days, but retains the old second person singular informal of "thou," and for all other cases there is "you."
Jan '11
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
The only thing I expect from Romney is to win November 6th.
After that I think our best chance is to pass an actual budget.
btw - I don't consider lowering the rates and capping deductions as "reforming the tax code".
Who gets to fire all the Czars?
Nov '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
I chose "eliminate a cabinet position" because I think that is likely the only thing he could really do. OF course he needs support from Congress to do the rest of the things...
Aug '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Well bless your heart for helping out this good ol' boy. Actually I'm a transplant here in Mayberry from Obama's former community (and it's not HI). I've gulped enough ham biscuits and grits (plural) to "blend in". I can also recite a few Jerry Clower routines too.
Anyhow, for y'alls information, that's how it was explained to me and I never intended any rudeness. What really drove me crazy was Lee's apostrophe placement. While I'm tempted to mention something about Texas not being in the South but a country of their own, decorum prevents me from bringing it up.
Dec '11
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
I'm not convinced that some Democrats won't vote to repeal Obamacare. Coming out against it now would seriously hurt Obama, and they want to win the election. However, once the election is lost, they can reverse their position and vote down this very unpopular law. Republicans just need to give senate Democrats a face-saving excuse to change positions, ant they will.
Apr '11
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
He's promised to do the other three things, and has not said he'd remove a cabinet department. Removing a department would produce a headline figure, but only nominal savings. Mitt's focus has been on removing agencies.
The overwhelming bulk of Obamacare can be undone through reconciliation, as can much of the tax reform (recall that Bush did his with 50 votes). Medicare, too. There's no reason that a Romney bill shouldn't work like Clinton and Bush 41's massive reconciliation bills and encompass most of Obamacare repeal, the tax reform, Davis-Bacon repeal, and maybe the entitlement reform along with it. Because you need the whole thing to turn out as a saving, they're easier to do as massive bills than as individual bills.
Get it done in the first 30 days and you're done; you can turn to increasing defense spending (budget bills; 50 votes needed), increasing skilled legal negotiation and extending e-verify (60 votes, but doable), negotiating trade agreements to open markets to America (Fast track; 50 votes), etc.
Nov '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Nope. It's "You" singular and "Y'all" plural.
Aug '12
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Nick Stuart: Choice #5
Business as usual, nothing gets accomplished besides John Boehner working on his tan, and the members of congress feathering their nests. · 16 hours ago
I have to agree. Nothing indicates that things will change much. As much as I want Obamacare repealed, I fear the bill that does it. It will likely be another 2000 pages of favors to special interest groups.
Nov '10
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
Although I use "all ya'll" when talking, it just looks too redundant for me when writing. I never use "y'all" in the singular, perhaps others do but not here in Mississippi.
Moderate Dems ate a thing of the past. No way he gets votes for an outright repeal from a single Dem
Apr '11
Re: Ricochet Poll -- Romney's First Term
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Nick Stuart: Choice #5
Business as usual, nothing gets accomplished besides John Boehner working on his tan, and the members of congress feathering their nests. · 16 hours ago
I have to agree. Nothing indicates that things will change much. As much as I want Obamacare repealed, I fear the bill that does it. It will likely be another 2000 pages of favors to special interest groups. · 3 hours ago
What sort of indications are you looking for? Significant change is normal for Presidencies; most presidents get 3/4 of their chief ambitions fulfilled. Mitt's ambitions (entitlement reform, tax reform, Obamacare reform, deregulation of energy and labor, deregulation of federal education regulation and support for school choice, and strength abroad) would significantly change America if half of them were achieved.