In this special edition of the Ricochet Podcast, Claire Berlinski in Istanbul and Judith Levy in Israel, discuss unfolding events in the Middle East and take questions from Ricochet members and Twitter. 

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Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

The one who I wish would man up in this whole mess is Hillary.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

And Claire I agree with you that a psychological barrier has been broken.

~Paules
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~Paules

 Thank you, Judith and Claire, for your insights.  You managed to cast at least a thread of light into the darkness.  Kudos.  You did better than the MSM.

Now let's talk logistics.  The most vital point between Egypt and Israel is the Suez Canal.  The Camp David agreement put UN forces in the Sinai.  It was demilitarized.  I saw with my own eyes the blue hats when I crossed the Sinai by bus in 1987.  Is the UN still there?  Mind you, I wasn't much impressed in '87 to see the the armed forces of Fiji (No lie!) defending a vital waterway.  If the UN is there, how did the Egyptians manage to seal the smuggling tunnels between Sinai and Gaza?  Me thinks something has changed, but I haven't a clue as to the who, what, and why. 

outstripp
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outstripp

Middle East news and the USA:  Here in Japan, I just finished watching the World News Hour. This is the BBC, French news, German News, and ABC (USA), in the original language and in simultaneous translations. Other days we get Spain, Italy, Korea, Russia, China and others.  Try to imagine that in the USA.  

American exceptionalism: All the other broadcasts pronounced ElBaradei, elbara-DIE.  ABC news pronounced it elbara-DAY.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

Holy Smokes! "One of our favorite members?" I feel like running out and attacking the neighbor's dog. Thank you ladies! By the way, thank you for such a thorough examination and discussion of the question. It was very well done.

jhimmi
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jhimmi

Isn't this an election year in Egypt? Surely everyone in Egypt understands chaos would ensue if Mubarak just stepped down and there was no government? . The uprising, as a whole, apparently has no demands, no direction, no goals, just anger and violence for violence's sake, which doesn't seem promising.

Hopefully the violence this might inspire on the American left is somewhat muted with a leftist in the white house..

Sisyphus
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Sisyphus

The American founding documents don't translate. Would that they could. Before we find the Arab Jefferson, there needs to be a Locke and a Burke. I have had those debates with very bright and curious exchange students, and it is a goat rope for people raised in other systems to think in terms of the Anglo-Western tradition. The notion of individual sovereignty is bizarre to people who encounter it first in adulthood. Most dismiss it as preposterous and phantasmal.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius
Sisyphus: The American founding documents don't translate. Would that they could. Before we find the Arab Jefferson, there needs to be a Locke and a Burke. I have had those debates with very bright and curious exchange students, and it is a goat rope for people raised in other systems to think in terms of the Anglo-Western tradition. The notion of individual sovereignty is bizarre to people who encounter it first in adulthood. Most dismiss it as preposterous and phantasmal. · Jan 28 at 7:27pm

You have to start somewhere and with someone. Even Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell is a damn sight better than they have now. It certainly won't be completed in our lifetimes.

Bob Croft
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Bob Croft

Great conversation!  Regarding America's founding documents, one does not need to quote them in their entirety; imagine if Obama had delivered a Lincoln style paraphrase of the opening of the Declaration: "America was founded on the proposition that all men are created equal...with certain unalienable rights...life, liberty...governments...deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...the right of the people to abolish..."  Then stress that our aid is not to a particular govenrnment, but to the people of Egypt, so long as they need it and remain an ally. Might avoid the impression that our policy could vary from day to day, with no long term principles, but is based on our very essence...

Edited on Jan 28, 2011 at 8:28pm
bereket kelile
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bereket kelile

Great podcast and everything...but for me it was the closing song at the end. I've always liked it, even though I don't know the lyrics to the chorus. So, I just go on singing,"Cherie don't like it, rock the cat's paw, rock the cat's paw..." 

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

Then stress that our aid is not to a particular govenrnment, but to the people of Egypt, so long as they need it and remain an ally. Might avoid the impression that our policy could vary from day to day, with no long term principles, but is based on our very essence...

Bob, that's a great point and what I was hoping a Reaganesque figure on the world stage would attempt. Forget all the faux Muslim we in the United States have been mean to you in the past crud and go back to the beginning and articulate to them their universal aspirations that we can all agree on.

Sisyphus
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Sisyphus

Pseudodionysius

Sisyphus: The American founding documents don't translate. Would that they could. Before we find the Arab Jefferson, there needs to be a Locke and a Burke. I have had those debates with very bright and curious exchange students, and it is a goat rope for people raised in other systems to think in terms of the Anglo-Western tradition. The notion of individual sovereignty is bizarre to people who encounter it first in adulthood. Most dismiss it as preposterous and phantasmal. · Jan 28 at 7:27pm

You have to start somewhere and with someone. Even Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell is a damn sight better than they have now. It certainly won't be completed in our lifetimes. · Jan 28 at 8:06pm

The effort needs to be made, no question, but looking at the way the same effort is going in the UK, Hannan notwithstanding, I must admit I have some concern.

Stuart Creque
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Stuart Creque

Thanks for a great podcast.  It was a mild shock to hear Judith say so quickly that yes, Hezbollah just might attack Israel if it needs to divert attention from its rape of Lebanon.  Let's pray it doesn't come to pass.


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Elizabeth Dunn

 Thanks for the reminder that jobs = Free Market + Rule of Law.


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liberal jim

Thanks for the podcast.  It was informative and provoking.  I think Levy is on to something when she pointed out that the protesters are fed up and want jobs and reasonably priced bread.   Many journalists seem to want this to be another “Berlin wall Moment” and are quick to call it a democracy movement.    If Mubarak had done a better job of providing these the streets would not look like they do. 

Leslie Watkins
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Leslie Watkins

I found it extremely helpful and, may I say, hopeful. I'm going to have a much better sense of context as events evolve (and, as we all fervently hope, not devolve!). Claire's study of the Muslim Brotherhood could not have been better timed!  Oh and it was definitely on Al-Jazeera, the story about Egyptians welcoming the army; that's where I saw it. More such podcasts would be most welcome.

Claire Berlinski, Ed.
Leslie Watkins:  Claire's study of the Muslim Brotherhood could not have been better timed!  

I wish that weren't true. 

Rob Long

Spectacular podcast.  I listed to it this morning, walking the dog, then glanced at the NYTimes and thought, "I already know all of this, and more...."

Thanks, Claire and Judith.  

Will you guys do another one, as events warrant?  Especially now that protests have spread to Jordan?

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

I could have saved an entire day of listening to Al Jazeera running in Tab #9 on my Firefox browser (while pretending to do work) if I had known there was a 45 minute podcast coming up. Really amazing how much info Claire and Judith were able to pack into a relatively short time. And hey Rob did you notice? No guys were present in the Anatolian Empire edition of the podcast?

So we went to the Middle East to hear the female Ricochet contributors unshackled from their California overlords. The mind reels.

Claire Berlinski, Ed.

Rob Long: Spectacular podcast.  I listed to it this morning, walking the dog, then glanced at the NYTimes and thought, "I already know all of this, and more...."

Thanks, Claire and Judith.  

Will you guys do another one, as events warrant?  Especially now that protests have spread to Jordan? · Jan 29 at 10:29am

I'd be delighted, of course. It's always wonderful to talk about the Middle East with Judith--you know, we met in a college seminar on the international relations of the Middle East, 20 years ago. 


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