The Logo · Jul 15, 2010 at 3:28pm

The band is back together this week as James Lileks, Jonah Goldberg, Mickey Kaus, and John Hinderaker discuss how to handle rude emailers, use obscure Star Trek references to describe the President, ponder whether or not Mickey Kaus is a closeted Tea Partier.  Also, an insider provides the scoop on Pawlenty's chances in 2012, and a better than decent Nixon impersonation emerges from a most unlikely source.

Now, here's your patented Ricochet Run Down™:
00:00 - Open Chat with James Lileks
06:15 - Jonah Goldberg
31:05 - Mickey Kaus
49:40 - John Hinderaker

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ParisParamus
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ParisParamus

I very much like Dan Riehl, but he doesn't like Ricochet AT ALL: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/07/richochet-clueless-and-irrelevant-to-the-activist-base.html

You would think that if an outfit gives you a shout out because your blog was mentioned in a podcast, they'd have some idea what the hell they were talking about. But whatever Richochet is, itobvious has nothing much to do with conservative activist blogs. I say whatever it is, as I clicked on an invite a month ago, or whatever, and left wondering why I'd be interested at all - unless I was simply looking for more on line entertainment irrelevant to the political activist base. Hint Richochet guy, it has nothing to do with The Corner. zzzzzz

Rob Long

Well, can't please everybody, I guess. But the web is huge, and there's room for everyone.

Trace Urdan
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Trace Urdan

Someone was excited about an advertised "shout out" that turned out to be a lukewarm aside. Dan can keep talking to the "activist base" and Ricochet can talk to the rest of the country.

mesquito
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mesquito

Riehl needs to chill. I've listened to --hmmm, let's see -- 24 straight ricochets, and I'm looking forward to hearing number 25 tomorrow. Okay, they talk about the fraking weather a little too much, and there are no Texans, but otherwise it's great, especially with Lileks hanging around.

ExJon
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ExJon

I would be honored to get a lukewarm shout-out. Then again, I'm lonely. So terribly lonely.

(Great show, natch.)

Samwise Gamgee
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Samwise Gamgee

I thought all the 'real' conservative activists were stockpiling ammo in a bunker somewhere...isn't that why it's called ricochet... peow!

Reminds me back many podcasts ago when Rob spoke about how we treat each other... be happy warriors like our neo-Can comrade... it's what separates us from the animals....

ParisParamus
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ParisParamus

I would be curious to know if anyone else ritually listens to the Ricochet podcast while doing some type of activity. I have found that the pace of the Ricochet podcast goes great with road cycling of a non-aggressive kind (in contrast, for speed work or hills, I listen to Mark Levin's show; in the gym it's either Hugh Hewitt or Dennis Prager; and there are even two podcasts I really love, but tend to listen to while falling asleep [Dan Riehl appears on one of these last ones, which I don't mean to mention in any hurtful way; more to see if anyone can guest which one it is...]).


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David Guaspari

The references to Galaxy Quest ignored its great, relentlessly underrated, predecessor, The Three Amigos. Same plot: The Amigos are stars of silent film Westerns; and residents of a Mexican village terrorized by banditos hire them to drive off the bad guys. The Amigos think it's a personal appearance tour. The movie is my touchstone for movie rating guides. Any book that disses the Amigos with a score of, say, 2 out of 4 (they all do) is unacquainted with the Muse of Comedy. (One of its notable achievements -- a movie having both Chevy Chase and laughs.)


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Conor Friedersdorf

Some Ricochet members may have followed the fascinating back and forth awhile back involving Roger Ebert. A blogger basically mocked him for having cancer. A writer at Esquire got rather angry about that. What came next was a fascinating response from Caleb Howe, who apologized for mocking Ebert, but also explained what led to his behavior.

It's worth clicking on those two links if you've ever wondered about vitriol on the Internet. I learned something. And if you do the above reading, only then can you accurately assess Dan Riehl's blog. Don't click on this link if you haven't read the above pieces in full because you won't understand. But if you have done the reading, see here.

Proof positive that if he doesn't like Ricochet, you're doing something right.

Scott Immergut
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Scott Immergut

That was terrific, Conor. Not to get too far off topic here, but the post that Deadspin's Will Leitch wrote about his encounters with Ebert over the course of several years (including Ebert's incredibly classy response) is not to be missed.

Talleyrand
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David Kube

It's been some time since we heard from the illustrious Mark Steyn. I hope he is okay, and will back on the podcasts in the next episode.

Duane Oyen
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Duane Oyen

The whole point, it seems to me, is that Ricochet is not a "conservative activist" endeavor. If it was, I would disappear (OK, gang, now you know how to take care of that essential deed)- humorless rants about "amnesty" and how McCain is not a true Republican put me to sleep- I'd rather listen to Alec Baldwin read Hans Kung in surround sound.

The idea of a civilized conversation on the Right, among all of the different brands that share a basic trust in markets and individuals over the collective and nanny government, without being a grinding political venture, is appealing to those of us who aren't cut out to be horse race junkies.

As I listened to the discussion of how and why Obama (TVG) has plummeted in popular support, I thought about some of the things we discuss here.

An administration has a choice whether to be ideologically activist- and make the base happy- or pragmatic- and thus govern more effectively. Not so much through overrated 'bipartisanship", but by aligning as much as possible with their principles without frightening the 20% in the middle. Obamacare, by lefty activists, terrified even the middle.

We should avoid that.


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Conor Friedersdorf
The idea of a civilized conversation on the Right, among all of the different brands that share a basic trust in markets and individuals over the collective and nanny government, without being a grinding political venture, is appealing to those of us who aren't cut out to be horse race junkies.

Yes.

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

James's point about connecting January's taxes to Republicans' greater goals is excellent.
The BBC is the ministry of Housinge.
How about a Rasmussen poll that asks whether government has helped or hindered the oil leak efforts?
I suspect the lawsuit against Arizona is a calculated act of political distraction, rather than mere ideological hubris. November will tell the tale.
If Democratic incumbents are forcibly retired in droves, what will be the liberal media's response? Will these Dems really retire or will they support progressive causes in some other organized effort?
Assuming Republicans seize Congress in November, what could coax an ideologue like Obama to make compromises, rather than veto everything that comes across his desk? Republicans should pass small bills just to make him "the President of No".
Obama's initial appeal was not entirely a fabrication of media. Obama was far more energetic and authoritative during his campaign speeches than he is now. He's better at offering vague promises than addressing concrete issues. It took a while for his favorite phrases ("Let me be clear") to become annoyingly familiar to voters. And the office has visibly worn him down. He always looks tired now.

Lilium
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Lilium

I continue to be annoyed with the BBC for discarding/taping over many of their Patrick Troughton Dr Who era episodes.

I enjoy the Ricochet podcasts because there's something quite symphonic about listening to half a dozen smart guys, who share my outlook on life, discuss with energy and humour about the serious issues of the day.

Wish we had something similar Down Under.

Duane Oyen
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Duane Oyen

Lilium:Wish we had something similar Down Under. · Jul 16 at 9:39pm

Well, you do! You have Ricochet. Maybe the Powers (The Logo) can invite John Howard to be a contributor....

Lilium
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Lilium

:D That would be a mighty interesting proposition and perhaps the indomitable Mr Steyn could whisper in the right ears.

Peter Costello, former Treasurer,who has left politics, writes op-eds for The Australian or is it The Age.

Tim Blair, who writes for The Daily Telegraph, is a sharp, witty commentator.

Lilium:Wish we had something similar Down Under. · Jul 16 at 9:39pm

Duane Oyen

Well, you do! You have Ricochet. Maybe the Powers (The Logo) can invite John Howard to be a contributor.... · Jul 17 at 9:11am

Lilium
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Lilium

John Hinderaker's comments about Bill Clinton redefining the presidency as a way to "meet chicks" reminded me of former Australian PM Bob Hawke's love for the ladies.

All of that's come under the spotlight again recently because of "ours is a great love story" comments made by Hawke's second wife, while promoting her new biography of her husband.


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Kyle Mcloughlin

Loving Jonah on the Podcasts. Pining for the return of the superhuman Steyn. Wishing Rob Long set the tone not only for Ricochet, but also the conservative side of things in general.

Andrea Ryan
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Andrea Ryan

As usual, I'm days late and my comment is left with the crickets. What the heck, I'll tell the crickets my opinion, anyway.

Rob commented that the politicians who succeed are the ones who love the process of politics and probably even need it. That's interesting and I agree, but I think to be a truly great president you have to believe in some way that it's your destiny. That you may or may not choose to go down that path, but you must because that's what you were born to be...it's your duty to your country.


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