Commenting on John Yoo's recent attack on Thomas Jefferson--yes, John attacked Jefferson--Ricochet member Zoon Politikon:

Until I got to know you all I'd heard about was what a monster you were. The first time I looked you up i fully expected to see a monster's picture instead of a human being's. Then I started reading what you had to write and watching some interviews and said to myself, "self, that John Yoo ain't so bad after all."

Declaring yourself a Hamiltonian puts us back at square one, Mr. Yoo.

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Zoon Politikon
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Jul '10
Zoon Politikon

I need to make an admission: I found myself pulled a bit by the anti-Jefferson arguments of John. I still love TJ, but the conversation forced me to admit explicitly that I thought he was a not-so-great politician. Perhaps even a bad one.

This works for me, however, because I don't like politicians and I especially dislike Presidents.

Rob Long

You know, Zoon, I like to think that Ricochet is the last place where these issues are still top-of-mind.

Personally, I'd like to discuss James Madison. A terrific constitution writer. An awful president.

EJHill
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May '10
EJHill

You may have your Jeffersons and Madisons! John Adams, the great agitator!

Daniel Frank
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May '10
Daniel Frank

The more I learn about the Founders, the more I come to appreciate George Washington. We soi disant intellectuals incline toward scribblers and philosophers, but rare is the scribbler with the steel and self-restraint to effectively govern. And now that our country staggers under the feckless governance of the second Nero administration, my appreciation for the Father of Our Country only grows.

Duane Oyen
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May '10
Duane Oyen

I think we should all just get together at Rob's house, watch the movie version of 1776, and take a vote on "which Founder".

Rob Long
Duane Oyen: I think we should all just get together at Rob's house, watch the movie version of 1776, and take a vote on "which Founder". · Jul 25 at 12:33pm

Only if we can fast forward through the awful musical numbers.

Zoon Politikon
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Zoon Politikon

Rob Long: You know, Zoon, I like to think that Ricochet is the last place where these issues are still top-of-mind.

Personally, I'd like to discuss James Madison. A terrific constitution writer. An awful president. · Jul 25 at 8:24am

I have actually started looking at the "binary systems" among the founders. Ever since reading the Jefferson-Adams correspondence I have viewed them as an inseparable pair. I have the same attachment to Madison-Hamilton from the Federalist Papers (of course). I am still looking for Ben Franklin's foil, another favorite, but one who is sadly a lonely-only at the Founders' Dance (so far).

Duane Oyen
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Duane Oyen

Rob Long

Duane Oyen: I think we should all just get together at Rob's house, watch the movie version of 1776, and take a vote on "which Founder". · Jul 25 at 12:33pm

Only if we can fast forward through the awful musical numbers. · Jul 25 at 12:48pm

Turn down the sound during the songs and do our own karaoke.....


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