Rick Perry's out with a new ad which presumably aims to beef up his social con cred. Considering that no one ever doubted his Evangelical bona fides in the first place, I'm not sure this sort of message does Perry any good.

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Duane Oyen
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Is he perhaps taking another shot at derailing Newt as the official ABR hope in Iowa, as described by Mike Murphy on the recent podcast?

Kofola
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Kofola

I'd guess that sees winning the evangelical vote in Iowa as his best shot at keeping himself in the race and must think the opportunity is there.

Midget Faded Rattlesnake
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Diane Ellis, Ed.: Considering that no one ever doubted his Evangelical bona fides in the first place, I'm not sure this sort of message does Perry any good.

Nope. It doesn't.

When you say, "There's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school," you're just begging to have that quotation shortened to, "There's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military."

He didn't have to convince religious conservatives. And he's just provided "evidence" that he's a "gay hater". Brilliant.

Edited on Dec 7, 2011 at 1:48pm
Freeven
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Freeven

"Obama's war on religion"

This phrase doesn't evoke anything. I had to stop and think whether Obama is fighting a war on religion and what it would look like if he was. I didn't come up with much. Maybe Iowans or Christians feel differently, but I think Obama is a lot more vulnerable on other fronts. The same with gays in the military. I'd guess picking that particular fight is a net negative.

Not the best bang for the buck, I think, bringing a Bible to a gun fight.

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole
The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

This is actually the second faith ad. He posted another one on youtube and facebook on the 2nd.

The New Clear Option
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Gen. Victor Ball

 This definitely doesn't help anything, except to mark Perry as the one to give your vote to in the primary if you're waffling on Bachman. At worst, it clearly defines Perry as the candidate you'd be least likely to vote for if you are a moderate swing voter and are jittery about faith in politics. It also seems particularly aimed at trying to swing social conservatives away from voting for...y'know...Mr. Inevitable...(pssst...that Mormon guy).

Fricosis Guy
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Fricosis Guy

Rick Perry, Defensor Fides et Deo Gratia Dux Texas.

Charlotte
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Charlotte

Ick.

What everyone else already said.

Tom Meyer
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Tom Meyer

I'm uncertain whether I'm more disappointed by Perry's identity politics -- "Vote for me! I'm one of you!" -- or by his ham-fisted mix of examples. Prayer in school polls very well but it's not as if Obama had anything to do with its prohibition; that's something the Supreme Court did...48 years ago! Even if he won the presidency and had congress manned by 427 clones of Michele Bachmann and another 100 of Jim Demint, Perry couldn't do a darn thing about it without a handful of court vacancies.

As for Don't Ask Don't Tell, it was a WILDLY unpopular law, opposed by 67% of Americans as of last year and supported by a paltry 28%. As MFD said, all Obama would have to do in the general is play the anti-DADT clip and suddenly tons of independents will go quesy.

Edited on Dec 7, 2011 at 5:41pm

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James Of England
Gen. Victor Ball:  This definitely doesn't help anything, except to mark Perry as the one to give your vote to in the primary if you're waffling on Bachman. At worst, it clearly defines Perry as the candidate you'd be least likely to vote for if you are a moderate swing voter and are jittery about faith in politics. It also seems particularly aimed at trying to swing social conservatives away from voting for...y'know...Mr. Inevitable...(pssst...that Mormon guy). · Dec 7 at 3:12pm

He gets Newt with it, too, but yeah, I got the same impression. Still, he's a pretty light touch with it. He could have gone a lot more directly, with his Scouting enthusiasm giving plenty of hooks for words like "faithfulness" for Newt and with plenty of opportunities to talk about Jesus for Mitt. As it is, after the first sentence, he's pretty ecumenical.


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Palaeologus
Kofola: I'd guess that sees winning the evangelical vote in Iowa as his best shot at keeping himself in the race and must think the opportunity is there. · 

I think he needs Bachmann and Santorum out before South Carolina and that means he has to whip them in Iowa and use that "momentum" to do it again in New Hampshire. It probably won't play, but it seems like a sensible enough move to me... given the mountain he has to climb.

It's a two man race and neither Gingrich nor Romney is exactly the darling of the socons. If Perry picks up 2/3 of the Santorum/Bachmann voters SC could be a three way race. If there are three primaries with three winners...

Scott Reusser
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Charlotte: Ick.

What everyone else already said. · Dec 7 at 3:25pm

Ditto. This is exactly the sort of off-putting approach Gov. Daniels discouraged in comments a few months back. He was roundly criticized for doing so, but he was so right.

 

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole

I need to add, upon further reflection, that this ad serves as a deal breaker for me for Perry.

Franco
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Franco

I pretty much see what everyone's talking about here. 

Jarring for me was Perry uses the word "admit" As in, "I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a Christian" I would have changed that word to "say" in fact, the whole sentence is weird.

Edited on Dec 7, 2011 at 5:03pm

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Nobody's Perfect

This is exactly the kind of politics that alienates the secular independents we need to persuade.  Mitch Daniels knew that, but he was excoriated for raising his voice.

James Gawron
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James Gawron

 Sorry guys but I don't agree.  Sometimes Diane it's not about "what good it will do you" but it's about what you actually believe.  We are living in a society that believes a 9 year old boy with a crush on a teacher is guilty of sexual harassment.  We are living in a society that believes a man with a degree in psychiatry and a major's rank in the army who screams Allahu Ackbar and methodically assassinates a score of totally innocent people is an example of workplace violence.  Finally, we are living in a society where a Justice of the United States Supreme Court believes that the 'don't ask don't tell' policy of the military is a crime so great that it justified using her power as Dean of Harvard Law School to illegally damage the military on campus.

In such a society someone must be willing to stand up for Western Civilization's moral code.  If no one else will do it but Rick Perry then shame on the rest of us.


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Scott Reusser

Charlotte: Ick.

What everyone else already said. · Dec 7 at 3:25pm

Ditto. This is exactly the sort of off-putting approach Gov. Daniels discouraged in comments a few months back. He was roundly criticized for doing so, but he was so right.

  · Dec 7 at 4:36pm

Nobody's Perfect: This is exactly the kind of politics that alienates the secular independents we need to persuade.  Mitch Daniels knew that, but he was excoriated for raising his voice. · Dec 7 at 5:12pm

Perry's not running in the general election, folks. He's just trying to keep his head above water in the primary.

If he doesn't tack hard to the socons, where does he go?

Blue Yeti

From the early 90's MTV show The State: 

Edited on Dec 7, 2011 at 6:15pm
Charlotte
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Charlotte

Palaeologus Perry's not running in the general election, folks. He's just trying to keep his head above water in the primary.

If he doesn't tack hard to the socons, where does he go? · Dec 7 at 6:10pm

He's welcome to deploy that strategery, just as I am welcome to be completely turned off by it.


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