Re: Are Democrats Delusional About Abortion?
Peter Robinson ·
August 23, 2012 at 5:30pm
Add to delusions among Democrats the delusions among the media.
Our own Ben Domenech, in this morning's "Transom":
[T]he obtuse ignorance of the media elite on this question [of abortion] is palpable. Producers and talk show hosts are regularly shocked when I point out three undeniable facts: that half of this country is pro-life, that it has become more pro-life in recent years, and that taxpayer funded abortions for reasons beyond rape, incest, or life threatening conditions are a reality on the scale of nearly 20% of abortions today. They also seem somewhat surprised that more women than men support banning abortion in cases of rape (in all likelihood because men are unwilling to take such a stand).
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Aug '10
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Delusional about abortion ? How about delusional about rape ?
If Clinton is introducing Obama, may I suggest a mantra we chant during the speech ?
Putsomeiceonit...putsomeiceonit...putsomeiceonit
Juanita Broadrick might have something to say about their choice of a platform and the speaker.
Aug '12
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The media has been successful at keeping this issue as their "ace in the hole" to manipulate opinion without doing much research. Just the continued assumption that any position opposing abortion is a minority one keeps them in control of the narative. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Aug '12
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flownover: Delusional about abortion ? How about delusional about rape ?
If Clinton is introducing Obama, may I suggest a mantra we chant during the speech ?
Putsomeiceonit...putsomeiceonit...putsomeiceonit
Juanita Broadrick might have something to say about their choice of a platform and the speaker. · 7 minutes ago
I have to agree with Mark Levin, this guy is a pervert; he lied before a grand jury, lost his law license in Arkansas for 8 years, and lied to the American People on TV about extramerital affairs in the White House. What a Peach!
Jun '10
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...and very noticeable at recent pro-life events, like March for Life: Great numbers of young people--knowledgeable enthusiastic young people.
Aug '12
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Only 20% of abortions are performed for reasons other than rape, incest or life threatening conditions to the mother? Or did I read that wrong?
Given that there are over 1 million abortions per year that percentage seems really low.
Jul '11
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You read it wrong. The quote says that 20+% of abortions are state-funded.
EDIT: This was not meant to be aggressive, sorry if it came out that way.
Edited on August 23, 2012 at 6:02pmRe: Re: Are Democrats Delusional About Abortion?
mask: Only 20% of abortions are performed for reasons other than rape, incest or life threatening conditions to the mother? Or did I read that wrong?
Given that there are over 1 million abortions per year that percentage seems really low. · 4 minutes ago
He wrote "taxpayer funded abortions for reasons beyond rape, incest, or life threatening conditions are a reality on the scale of nearly 20% of abortions today."
Aug '12
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Thanks for setting me straight!
Mar '11
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Franciscus
I have to agree with Mark Levin, this guy is a pervert; he lied before a grand jury, lost his law license in Arkansas for 8 years, and lied to the American People on TV about extramerital affairs in the White House. What a Peach!
Because of Obama the Clintons' approval rating are improving.
Why is Clinton introducing Obama?
So far Obama has insulted Clinton's economic record and gutted welfare reform. Right or not these are the two things that Clinton gets the most credit for. Now he is pushing away from Clinton's "rare but legal" stance on abortion.
What issues do Clinton and Obama agree on? How did Clinton become a reasonable moderate?
Nov '10
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They are delusional. I've not never met anyone who thinks abortion is ok. Not ever. I've only met people who say they don't want to make that decision for someone else, though they would never have an abortion themselves. It's an academic question for them. Frankly it was always an academic question for me as well, until my wife had a miscarriage at around 13 weeks. We had thought nothing was wrong until we went in for an ultrasound and they couldn't find a heart beat. So they did one of those "inside" ultrasounds and we saw the baby his face, hands ribs, everything. But he (or she) was gone. They said probably in the last 24 hours. That's when the issue became real to me. Abortion is wrong in all cases, period. The value of a person's life transcends the circumstances of their birth. That is true about a poor little girl in Sudan, orphaned by AIDS or violence, and it is true about an unborn child in Seattle.
Dec '10
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I'm still confused on the 20% number. Does that mean that at least 80% of taxpayer funded abortions are abortions of children conceived by rape or incest, or who are somehow threatening the life of the mother? If so, I don't believe it. That suggests there's either a huge number of rapes which result in conception, or a huge number of cases of incest, or a huge number of life-threatening pregnancies. Or a combination thereof, which I seriously doubt the numbers support.
I think this little numbers game must be played with the "health" of the mother rationale, which is overwhelmingly the "mental health" of the mother... as in, this woman will be unhappy if she has to carry her baby to term (neglecting the fact of the damage done to her mental health by killing her child).
Back on topic. I think the Democrats are showing the character of their ideology of death and decline. I'm very hopeful there are enough Americans uncorrupted by leftism to see the ugliness and deceitfulness of it. It's entertaining to watch the sharks go for the chum, but don't get in the water with them.
Jun '10
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Here are some stats:
The top 4 reasons given, accounting for 75% of all abortions, were:
95.5% of abortions are for reasons other than rape/incest/health of mother. I think Ben's point is that 20% of that 95% are taxpayer-funded.
Mar '11
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Why do people feel it necessary to make an exception for rape and incest? Either the fetus is a human being with the right to life or it is not, how it got there is irrelevant; the father's guilt certainly cannot justify the murder of the child.
Mar '11
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Joseph Stanko
Here are some stats:
The top 4 reasons given, accounting for 75% of all abortions, were:
95.5% of abortions are for reasons other than rape/incest/health of mother. I think Ben's point is that 20% of that 95% are taxpayer-funded. · 1 minute ago
Joseph is correct. What Ben was doing was highlighting the fact that taxpayers are funding a significant number (20%) of "elective" abortions (i.e. abortions for no other reason than simple birth control), and this is at odds with national policy and common opinion.
Jun '12
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Yup.
Feb '12
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Just a simple political side-point here:
I believe Professor Rehe's prediction of a convincing to overwhelming victory for Romney/Ryan is accurate because of these unforced errors on the part of Obama's campaign and the DNC. Of course, it helps that Romney/Ryan behave competently, but when your enemy is destroying themselves just stay out of the way.
Apr '12
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Emotional appeal.
The attack of "forcing a woman to carry her rapist's child" (ie, not killing some for having a horrible criminal as a biological parent) and the "the poor child will be retarded, how can you force them to live like that?" (yes, it's scientifically ignorant-- there's just a higher chance of recessive genes being expressed in incest-- and rather head-banging to suggest that death is better than mental issues) Some incest, of course, is both rape and genetically risky.
Rhetorical flourish. It goes on because it's better to restrict to an unsatisfactory extent than to leave it utterly unopposed. (Slavery is of course the best historic example-- last big, long-lasting disagreement about who is really a person that was slowly removed.)
Oct '10
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The obsession over the rape & incest exception boggles my mind too. For one thing, how frequently does incest occur? It seems odd that the Left fixates on that. Also, I never hear anyone point out how cruel and insulting it is to imply that pepole who were born in such circumstances don't deserve to live.
Jul '12
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Yes, the Democrats are delusional about abortion.
The Democrat Party is the the party that has declared war on the weak. The Democrat Party is (proudly) the party of leben unvertes leben.
Edited on August 23, 2012 at 9:29pmDec '10
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Michael Hussey
Joseph Stanko
Here are some stats:
The top 4 reasons given, accounting for 75% of all abortions, were:
95.5% of abortions are for reasons other than rape/incest/health of mother. I think Ben's point is that 20% of that 95% are taxpayer-funded. · 1 minute ago
Joseph is correct. What Ben was doing was highlighting the fact that taxpayers are funding a significant number (20%) of "elective" abortions (i.e. abortions for no other reason than simple birth control), and this is at odds with national policy and common opinion. · 1 hour ago
This is a much clearer way to state it, but do we really believe that over 80% of elective abortions are privately funded? Really? I find that surprising.