At the Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol writes:

To govern is to choose. To vote is to choose. To vote against John Boehner on the House floor this week in the biggest showdown of the current Congress is to choose to vote with Nancy Pelosi. To vote against Boehner is to choose to support Barack Obama. It is to choose to increase the chances that worse legislation than Boehner’s passes. And it is to choose to increase the chances that Obama emerges from this showdown politically stronger. So when the Heritage Action Fund and the Club for Growth, and Senators Vitter, Paul, et al., choose to urge House Republicans to join the Democrats to defeat Boehner, they’re choosing to side with Barack Obama.

The Wall Street Journal agrees, writing:

Republicans who oppose Boehner's debt deal are playing into Obama's hands.

It sounds like Republicans are going to need to support this unless they come up with a much better plan immediately. Is that right?

Or as Allan West tweeted this morning:

Boehner Plan is not a perfect bill. However, the fact Pelosi, Reid and Obama hate it doggone makes it perfect enough- where is their plan?

It seems like anyone opposing the bill from the right needs to have a plan, too. Now would be the time to put or shut up, right?

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Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

I'd love to add what Speaker Boehner just told members but it wouldn't pass our Code of Conduct. You can read it here.


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BKelley14

I agree with Boehner. Get the bill done, then work on retiring Obama in 2012. 

iWc
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iWc

I think default is a better option. See my post in the Member Feed on this.

David Williamson
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David Williamson
BKelley14: I agree with Boehner. Get the bill done, then work on retiring Obama in 2012. 

Yep.


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Derek Simmons
Edited on Jul 27, 2011 at 8:19am

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Derek Simmons

This article in National Review explains--for me--why it is a good thing that the RSC under Jim Jordan "killed" the Boehner Plan as written. It also lists why I think the Boehner Plan as "re-written" will be the vehicle for "solving" the current crisis. And the President WILL sign it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272814/wonk-city-yuval-levin#.TjAp2Ef144o.gmail


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Derek Simmons
Edited on Jul 27, 2011 at 9:17am
Kennedy Smith
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Kennedy Smith

 Andrew Stiles, who's been doing a whip count, just tweeted that it's now likely to pass, after Boehner's inspirational "get your [patoots] in line" speech to the caucus.  I love Boehner, just for his unrepentant smoking and general air of being hung over.

Don't know what if any progress has been made in revising the bill, though.

Crow's Nest
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Crow's Nest

Pass the bill, Republicans. Sign the bill, Mr. President.

Pilli
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Pilli

This sounds a lot like Nancy P's, "We'll have to pass the bill to see what's in it" argument.

The problem is the baseline. The baseline assumes that cuts will happen over time.  But spending obligations happen now.  (Smoke...Mirrors)

How about a plan that says we are going to get rid of any department that begins with an "E" and all the regulations that go with them?

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

In the same spirit, I had to give the same style pep talk to a group a few nights ago that was also about to score a historic victory:

"Don't look to your right. Don't look to your left. We're on the 5 yard line, and its touchdown to go. Head down, no snarky comments, no recriminations, don't take the bait. If we all charge together we're in the endzone. But only if we all look at the horizon."

Get. It. Done.

katievs
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katievs

Mark Levin and Jeffrey Lord have convinced me that this bill does not meet the moral moment.  It's a pretend solution.  Worse, it's a lying solution.  It means Republicans are still ensconced in Washington-think and Washington-speak.  

This demand for party unity may end by causing a fatal split in the party just in time for the election.  

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

It's a pretend solution.

Perhaps, but I do wonder what more can be achieved with only voting control of one branch of the legislature.


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BKelley14

Pseudodionysius: It's a pretend solution.

Perhaps, but I do wonder what more can be achieved with only voting control of one branch of the legislature. · Jul 27 at 9:54am

Exactly the problem. 

katievs
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katievs

Pseudodionysius: It's a pretend solution.

Perhaps, but I do wonder what more can be achieved with only voting control of one branch of the legislature. · Jul 27 at 9:54am

Introducing truth and moral clarity to the discussion would be a great contribution. Refusing to collaborate with a fraud and deception is good and helpful.  Standing on principle, fighting for what's right, etc.

Suppose the Republicans in the house had all rallied strong around Cut, cap and balance.  Could the Senate not have been pressured into at least bringing it to a vote?

katievs
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katievs

The Republicans should be the "stop the madness" party, not the nip and tuck party.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

Introducing truth and moral clarity to the discussion would be a great contribution.

I defer to Paul Rahe on this one. Truth is a dish served in Washington only when cloaked with many spices and an opaque covering.

katievs
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katievs

Pseudodionysius: Introducing truth and moral clarity to the discussion would be a great contribution.

I defer to Paul Rahe on this one. Truth is a dish served in Washington only when cloaked with many spices and an opaque covering. · Jul 27 at 10:31am

The trouble is, as more and more Americans (thanks largely to the tea party and talk radio) are waking up to the truth, they are going to be increasingly disenchanted with and appalled by the dishonesty and unreality in Washington.  The Republicans are running a terrible risk by not dissociating themselves from it decisively.

Edited on Jul 27, 2011 at 10:37am

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liberal jim

I thought the GOP had CCB.  I guess the argument for the new plan which will probably come to be known as cut, tax, and cave is that if the GOP does not do something else they will be blamed and their precious political careers might be damaged., not that it will pass or solve the problem.  Their position should be to demand that Reid bring CCB up for debate and a vote and once he does that they will begin working on a new plan if necessary.   Reid tabled CCB because when faced with voting against it many Dem Senators will not.  Obama, as evidenced by his healthcare bill, knows how to play hardball.  The Bush Republicans who are currently leading the house do not. Fear not primary season will be here soon.

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Mark Belling Fan

I predict that if the House Republicans "stand on principle", they'll be successfully demagogued and Obama will be reelected. Independents don't know what they think on anything. If Obama can rhetorically tie "extremist Republicans" to the bad economy, he'll win.

No thanks. I'll take the fake cuts now, and take my chances with President Romney and majority leader McConnell in 2013. Even then real reforms are not guaranteed, but the current approach of demanding cuts from Obama is doomed to failure.


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