Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
In Human Events today, Pat Buchanan has a column on Secretary of Defense Robert Gates's speech ten days ago at West Point. Pat says Gates is onto something--then poses a few good questions.
Excerpts:
"(A)ny future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should 'have his head examined,' as Gen. MacArthur so delicately put it," Robert Gates has just told the cadets at West Point….
[H]is position implies a new foreign policy….
[W]hat are we doing with 28,000 troops in Korea..? Why not withdraw the U.S. troops, let South Koreans take their place and sell Seoul the weapons to defend itself, while restricting our role, should the North attack, to air and naval support…?
[E]ven as Gates was speaking, Pentagon officials were talking of using Marines to evict Chinese troops, should they occupy disputed islands in the South and East China seas. Among the claimants to the islands in the South China Sea are Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Brunei….Why should holding or recapturing these islands, none of which is ours and almost all of which are uninhabited, be the Marine Corps' job..?
As for Europe [where we still have some 50,000 troops], the Red Army went home decades ago….As President Eisenhower urged JFK 50 year ago, we should bring U.S. troops home and let Europe man up to its own defense.
As I say, those strike me as good questions.
Over to Ricochet. Care to suggest any answers?
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Dec '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
"The Red Army went home decades ago"
Ask the Georgians how very secure that withdrawal made them. Turns out that Russian tanks can go in both directions -- and don't seem to find national borders much of an impediment.
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
I love Georgians--as best I can tell, they're the only pro-American people in the Caucasus--but surely Pat Buchanan is asking whether the defense of Georgia should represent an American responsibility. If so, why didn't we do more to help Georgia when Russia invaded? If not, why maintain tens of thousands of troops in Europe?
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Buchanan's very sensible questions amount this: Why can't nations ultimately be made to defend themselves? Deciding on whether U.S. forces should remain in Germany is a question that answers itself. The U.S. contingent in Germany is designed to hedge against an incursion of Soviet tanks and troops through Central Europe and, as Pat notes, the Red Army has been removed.
The issue of South Korea/North Korea isn't that much more difficult. I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that the North Korean military intends on attempting to permanently breach the 38th Parallel. I think the South Korean people should pay for the defense of South Korea, and that a steady withdrawal of U.S. personnel makes sense. I also think that selling them weapons with which to defend themselves is a fine idea.
The thought of sending the Marines to capture disputed islands near China that are almost completely uninhabited is, as one once said, powerfully stupid.
The central question is this: Should the people of a nation pay for and be responsible for their own defense in the long run or not?
Aug '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
While I agree with Pat that we no longer need to defend South Korea or Europe, I do think it is in OUR interests to have a few key bases strategically placed around the world that we can use in times of crisis.
For example, I think we would want to hang on to our airbase in Italy given what is going on in the middle east right now - may come in handy down the road.
Having said that I'm sure we have many more bases on foreign soil than we need for our own purposes.
Edited on March 7, 2011 at 9:04pmDec '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
I have a question: What Secretary of Defense advised his president to send a big land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa?
The president has the prerogative. Sec Def and others can only advise. Is Secretary Gates suggesting that the president's advisors should self-censor? That the president should get other than what those advisors feel is their best advice?
This seems as short sighted as Obama's DOJ considering action against legal advisors whose only offense was providing excellent yet politically questionable advice.
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
In the words of General Patton, "I don't like having to pay for the same real estate twice." Whatever bases we close this year cannot be simply reopened the moment we need them ten, twenty or fifty years from now. Keeping foreign bases costs money. Establishing them costs lives.
That doesn't settle the issue, but it's an important consideration. Let's not pretend we know where our soldiers will be fighting even five years from now, let alone twenty.
If Steyn's right about current demographics, at least some European nations which are currently U.S. allies will be enemies within a generation or two.
Unfortunately, our military readiness cannot exist separately from our domestic policies. We have dug ourselves into a financial hole. But let's start with the programs and agencies that cost trillions. The billion-dollar stuff can wait.
We are by far the world's dominant superpower, military and economically. That means we're the country everyone loves to hate. Closing bases and reneging on alliances won't keep us out of war.
I'm open to closing bases, but I'm inclined to be skeptical.
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Stuart Creque: "The Red Army went home decades ago"
Ask the Georgians how very secure that withdrawal made them. Turns out that Russian tanks can go in both directions -- and don't seem to find national borders much of an impediment.
Peter Robinson:
Emphasis mine.
Furthermore, the Russo-Georgian fiasco was the fault of both the Kremlin and the Georgian government. In fact, it is still disputed as to who initiated the skirmish. But do you really think that Putin, Medvedev & Co will order an incursion into Eastern and Central Europe once the U.S. Army is gone? Germany is a vacation locale and a dream post for U.S. personnel, not a strategic position the occupation of which contributes to our national defense.
Edited on March 7, 2011 at 9:10pmJun '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Forward deployment of American military might keeps our enemies honest. Having military bases abroad acts as a tripwire. It informs potential enemies that to cross the line invites an American counter-response. If I were president, I would seriously consider inviting Georgia into NATO, but I doubt the Europeans have the stomach for such a move.
Feb '11
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
The only reason to help Georgia would be to poke a finger into Russia's eye. Why do you want to do that? What is to be gained other than showing that you can poke a finger in Russia's eye? And Russia is a nuclear power whose help we need on other issues.We've handled Russian relations pretty badly since the end of the cold war.
The other thing you've got to remember is that Germany will being moving closer and closer to Russia. Why? Energy. Making trouble with Russia over something as trivial as a border dispute with Georgia will affect relations with Germany.
The reason for 28,000 troops in South Korea has as much to do with Japan as it does Korea. Japan is the key to the area. Korea is simply the front line. Eventually, we will figure out how to cut a deal with Taiwan going to the mainland with Hong Kong-like assurances and a Korean reunification, but in the mean time 28,000 troops in Korea is a good idea.
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
For the same reason that standing back while another person is mugged is foolish (apart from moral considerations). When you allow crime to go unpunished, you encourage it.
What begins as someone else's problem can quickly become our problem. America will not go untouched by foreign conquests.
Aug '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Come on guys, Buchanan has been an isolationist for some time hasn't he ?
As for Gates and strategy and all the other wishful thinking out there, what is the difference without a CINC ?
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Aaron Miller
For the same reason that standing back while another person is mugged is foolish (apart from moral considerations). When you allow crime to go unpunished, you encourage it.
What begins as someone else's problem can quickly become our problem. America will not go untouched by foreign conquests.
The only people that are being mugged here are American taxpayers. We're subsidizing a portion of European and South Korean defense, just like we subsidize a portion of European healthcare. These are not defenseless nations that we're protecting. These are modern, industrialized states. You think the tax you pay on April 14 is better served by keeping armored divisions in Germany than being in your bank account?
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Well, what about his argument? Should who he is have any bearing?
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Peter, I agree with Buchanan's arguments regarding our need to make feckless allies pay for their own defense. Nevertheless, I find Gates' and Buchanan's positions both suspicious, Buchanan's because he doesn't seem to think we have national interests or global responsibilities, and Gates' because he doesn't seem to think we should project force to defend those interests.
The right position is to identify our real, pragmatic national interests (including our responsibilities as defender of the global commons), and project force in a determined and ruthless manner, but only in pursuit of those interests.
May '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
I think what Gates is suggesting is that warfare is changing to the extent that land forces will be much less effective in dealing with current threats compared to a strong, maneuverable Navy and Air Force . It's important that we have troops forward deployed in Germany, so that we can react quickly as events change, but let's also not forget that Landstuhl and Ramstein are vital to treating and caring for our wounded. Our host countries also cover some of the costs of US bases. I don't think cost savings is the primary factor in proposing a drawdown of troops abroad, it's a sign that the way we fight is evolving.
Jan '11
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
I can't help but wonder what Professor Rahe thinks here. He asked the (basically) same question about Libya a week ago, and I imagine the responses to that thread are still percolating.
I wonder ... does Buchanan read Ricochet?
Nov '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
I think it ultimately would be a good thing for these societies to look after more of their own defense. Too many of these countries take America's generosity for providing a security shield for granted. What's more, it winds up enfeebling once strong allies in the long term. I can't help but think about what's happened to the Royal Navy, particularly with it's recent scrapping of the Ark Royal. Would the UK have done this if it didn't feel America has its back with its Navy? I doubt it. And what goes for the UK goes 10 times for everyone else. America has to be more forceful in watching out for its own interests and insisting that other countries pull their own weight militarily.
Feb '11
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Seems to me this all boils down to: What do you do about free riders? Should you even try to do anything about them? Do alliances lead inevitably to free riders?
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Alas, alliances do lead inevitably to free riders.
Edited on March 7, 2011 at 10:11pmAug '10
Re: Pat Buchanan Hearts Robert Gates
Michael Labeit
Well, what about his argument? Should who he is have any bearing? · Mar 7 at 12:20pm
Good point. I am simply arguing that without a clear direction as to anything militarily, the decision to stay or go will never be made . Pat Buchanan is repeating his usual trope about isolationism and it's to his discredit in my opinion. I don't think we can turn our back on the world, regardless of how stupid it may be acting. It is not in our best interests. Besides being the world's policeman, we are also saddled with being it's parent.
Now let's talk about relativistic sovereignty.....