Palin v Ferraro
Out here in California, I've had to cheer up some friends who couldn't see past the whole Brown/Boxer fiasco to the bigger picture, but me, I'm feeling like this is just the beginning of something beautiful and there would be a spring in my step if, you know, I allowed that sort of thing.
An observation, though. Last night, on Fox, Geraldine Ferraro and Sarah Palin came on to say a bunch of meaningless stuff about women... and I thought Ferraro cleaned Sarah's clock. I understand Ferraro is a figure of respect for feminists and that she's ailing, but she sat there endlessly spewing the spinniest garbage about how the tea party had been turned back and people had voted locally and Obamacare was a wonderful thing... and Palin just sat there and let her do it. Maybe she was just being respectful, but it was embarrassing and reinforced my sense that Palin may be a wonderful speaker and a moving iconic figure, but she is not someone equipped for governance. She's our Obama, as it were.
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May '10
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Gotta agree with you. It was painful to watch. You can imagine Obama sitting there letting Ahmadinejad spew on endlessly in much the same way. A person with the power & presence & skills we need would not have allowed that to happen, respect for the aged aside.
Jun '10
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I disagree. I thought Palin was gracious and deferential. She did make one interesting remark, something to the effect that she watched Ferraro's run as a college student. Translation: you had you're shot, but it's my turn now.
Aug '10
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I noticed the same thing Andrew. In fact I mentioned it during the raucous chat Ricochet had.
Palin could've been respectful while still getting her points in and not letting Ferraro suck all the oxygen out of the room...
Sep '10
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I agree that it was painful, but I thought at the time -- and still think -- that it was one of those situations of "letting grandma ramble." Part respect and part "playing ping-pong with a five year old."
May '10
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I'm a huge fan of the Divine Sarah (only an official fan of five things on the FB, including her, Ricochet, Mike Nelson of MST3K, and Dubya), and didn't see this, but will opine anyway.
I'd vote for her in the general, but not in the primary. And worry that she may try to force the issue. She's brilliant at her role, and that's where we need her.
May '10
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Cause, yknow, Rush will never be President either.
Aug '10
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What I couldn't help but notice was that Ferraro has apparently gained no insight and no wisdom in the years since she got her political head handed to her. She is still spewing the same line of worn-out nonsense. I thought we humans were supposed to get wiser with age.
Nov '10
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I saw the exchange also, and wished Palin would find a way to step in and stop Ferraro's rambling. It looked like she was trying to be respectful and polite, but what ended up happening was that Ferraro dominated the conversation.
I really like Sarah Palin, but I think she is most effective doing what she's doing right now: stirring the pot and supporting the issues and candidates from the sidelines. I don't think she's electable. Rightly or wrongly, she's too polarizing a figure to win a general election.
Btw, after reading posts and listening to podcasts for a month, After hanging around for the live chat last night until 2AM EST, I finally officially joined Ricochet this morning...
Jul '10
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Really?
I think the best debating tactic is to let your opponent bury herself.
I guess in my view that if someone is spewing spinny garbage, I let them do it.
May '10
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Andrew, what did you think about the defeats of conservative women last night? Even Nikki Haley won by a small margin whereas Team Jacob (Rubio) won big almost immediately. I know you talk about the peer pressure, the need to be "in" with all the right people and invited to all the right parties in hollywood. Do you think that high school mentality prevailed among female voters when it came to conservative women last night?
May '10
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Women Hate Each Other. I say this an an auditor (ie, one who listens). An office full of women will easily rat each other out without needing a nudge. This could explain why women react strongly against female pols, while men are quite comfortable being ruled by the Bangles.
Nov '10
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You know, as a woman, I have to agree with that to an extent. Not universally, of course, but enough to make a difference at the polls. My mom will agree with almost all of Sarah Palin's ideas when expressed by someone else, but she can't stand Palin herself for some reason that she can't articulate. I know she can't articulate it because I've asked her to try.
Jun '10
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Sheila Stout: I saw the exchange also, and wished Palin would find a way to step in and stop Ferraro's rambling. It looked like she was trying to be respectful and polite, but what ended up happening was that Ferraro dominated the conversation.
I really like Sarah Palin, but I think she is most effective doing what she's doing right now: stirring the pot and supporting the issues and candidates from the sidelines. I don't think she's electable. Rightly or wrongly, she's too polarizing a figure to win a general election.
Btw, after reading posts and listening to podcasts for a month, After hanging around for the live chat last night until 2AM EST, I finally officially joined Ricochet this morning... · Nov 3 at 8:26am
From your post and your profile, its clear you're our kind of people -- welcome
May '10
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Kennedy, could the case be made that since that office full of women isn't unemployed, they're unlikely to open their ears to the tea party or GOP message in the first place? Also, they're more likely to respond to opinion setters like Stinkface McGillicuddy when they call conservative females bitch/whore. Notice how the View crowd did not sink their teeth into Marco Rubio, if they talked about him at all.
My guess is: unless you LOOK like Marco Rubio or Allen West, expect 1 of 2 responses from female voters when it comes to 2012:
May '10
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OMG! Jeanne? Is that you or did someone hijack your Ricochet account?
Welcome to the par-teh, Sheila!
Ah. A closet Twilight fan I see.
I think Haley was hampered by her primary fight whereas Rubio essentially ran off his competition before the primary even really got going.
Andrew, I have to agree with you and Jeanne. I was disappointed with Sarah's apparent reluctance to engage the aged moonbat. However, maybe Sarah had caught a glimpse of herself in the mirror right before the broadcast and was marveling at what God had made.
You absolutely must retract or moderate this statement. Because the chicks I've come in contact with on Ricochet make me want to request a girl's sleepover.
Oct '10
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Context is everything. If Palin and Ferraro were sitting in someone's living room having a private conversation, quiet politeness might be appropriate. But a television studio is a stage and the people on it actors in a national drama. Sara was not there to be Sarah. She was there to represent a worldview that is at odds with the worldview espoused by Ferraro. She missed an opportunity to expose and refute the false assumptions that animate that worldview. Ferraro did her job, Palin did not.
May '10
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Watching FNC now, the title of Kingmaker has been taken from Sarah Palin to Jim Demint. She certainly affected the republican primaries but her female candidates had to run against the "betraying your gender" sentiment. The candidates they ran against were schmucks and they lost anyway, so why did Rubio prevail and O'Donnell flounder against the bearded marxist. Squidward McSquinticles was despised across Nevada. Yet he's on the TV carpet bombing with his boxing puns.
I'm a marketing student. Never read Twilight but its like Fox News, they've captured a large share of the market, they're obviously resonating with the public so its important.
Sep '10
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Because the chicks I've come in contact with on Ricochet make me want to request a girl's sleepover.
Let it be noted by the Ricochet moderator that the first occurrence of the word "chick" on Ricochet was uttered by a member of the fairer sex.
May '10
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Hey, if you want to see where the line you can't cross as a Ricochet commenter, it's basically me. Middle name is Danger.
I'd like to see you try and braid Andrea's hair, Felcia Felicis. Pull back a bloody stump.
May '10
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Anang, who was it that said "Rupert Murdoch [Ricochet contributor] is a genius. He discovered a niche market that included half of the country."
I honestly can't remember.