On The Lies The Media Tell, Global Warming Edition
I'm an out and proud skeptic when it comes to global warming alarmism. This horrifies some of my more liberal friends who are convinced that each of these 882 (frequently contradictory) items on the hilarious Warm List are caused by global warming.
But check out this Associated Press story that admits no science was used for an entire story about how the recent heat wave, while not actually due to global warming, could have been caused by global warming:
If you want a glimpse of some of the worst of global warming, scientists suggest taking a look at U.S. weather in recent weeks.
Horrendous wildfires. Oppressive heat waves. Devastating droughts. Flooding from giant deluges. And a powerful freak wind storm called a derecho.
These are the kinds of extremes climate scientists have predicted will come with climate change, although it's far too early to say that is the cause. Nor will they say global warming is the reason 3,215 daily high temperature records were set in the month of June.
And it goes on and on and on to describe all the things that could happen from global warming. As someone on Twitter put it: "Shorter AP: No evidence that global warming is the cause of recent heat wave. That said, global warming is the cause."
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Jun '12
Re: On The Lies The Media Tell, Global Warming Edition
Highlama: The Left, I've realized, is based on fear mongering. They cast conservatives as Nazis, business as inhumane, and life as something the government must protect you from.
Believing the hysteria is the perfect existential solution to the masses of inept, insipid, intellectually inbred, narcissistic, Peter Pans who only ever dream of the return to Never Never Land. Their leaders have contempt for them, dupes of dupes that they are, because they with this cheap existential validation they no longer ask any questions and happily adopt even the most ridiculous positions with an attitude of self-righteousness. · 48 minutes ago
If this is not the oldest trick in the book...it's pretty darn close.
Jun '12
Re: On The Lies The Media Tell, Global Warming Edition
ConservativeWanderer
Highlama
Freeman Dyson, desptie sporting an "Obama" bumper sticker, believes it to be bad science. · 2 minutes ago
It's not science at all. There's no repeatable experiments. · 16 minutes ago
I see nothing wrong with studying the climate and how it changes....as long is it is understood there really not a heck of a lot we can do about it. It is just too complex.
Jun '12
Re: On The Lies The Media Tell, Global Warming Edition
Valin
ConservativeWanderer
Highlama
Freeman Dyson, desptie sporting an "Obama" bumper sticker, believes it to be bad science. · 2 minutes ago
It's not science at all. There's no repeatable experiments. · 16 minutes ago
I see nothing wrong with studying the climate and how it changes....as long is it is understood there really not a heck of a lot we can do about it. It is just too complex. · 3 minutes ago
My point is that the Scientific Method, at least as I was taught in school, involves experiments that are repeatable thus allowing verification of the results both by the same scientist (making sure it's not a fluke result) and other scientists.
There is none of that in "climate science," just models with data that's been "massaged" and then the "massage" data tossed out so no one can verify it later.
Jun '10
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EstoniaKat
There was an article I read recently that said that Antarctica actually wasn't all that bad a few million years ago.
Emphasis added.
Jun '12
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One of my favorite 30-second answers to Climate Change True Believers:
"They can't accurately predict the weather a month out... how can they possibly predict the climate years out?"
Mar '11
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Living in Wimbledon, as you can see by watching the tennis, one would be lead to believe in the sunspot hypothesis concerning global cooling. We had the wettest June on record and temperatures barely reaching 70. July looks to continue. Best sign is snails everywhere.
Sep '10
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Recall the dire predictions that Katrina-like hurricanes were the new normal because of global warming? How's that forecast worked out?
That's what makes the climate change alarmist so amusing; they pick a Katrina or the wildfires, and use that as evidence we'll see more of the same. Then they conveniently ignore previous predictions and use some other current natural disaster as yet more evidence.
Apr '12
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One thing I like telling believers is that NONE of the predictions, going back 30 years, have been right.
With the world putting out so much more CO2 than 30 years ago, the correlation should have been firmly established. Report after report has to be revised when the "scientists" are obliged to employ their hindsight.
Nov '11
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In a play my daughter is currently performing, there's a song with a line listing several bad things global warming causes. Among these is "tsunamis". I can only assume the theory is that the theoretical increase in average global temperatures by a degree or two causes more, and more severe, underwater earthquakes.
Climate change -- is there nothing it can't do?
Nov '10
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Even if all the Climate Change stuff were true, and the world was warming and all that, why wouldn't it be a good thing?
(Of course, if it were all true, it would be simultaneously both dryer and wetter, which would end life as we know it.)
Feb '11
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There is no such thing as anthropogenic global climate change. Period. There is no serious level of data to support that theory. For starters, anyone who paid attention in Western Civ or a History of China class, never mind Meteorology or Oceanography, when they were in school should know this. The historical record and the natural record shows that there have been far greater variances in the gloal climate than what we are experiencing now, or even have experienced since the industrial revolution got into high gear (the supposed cause of the "problem"). The "proofs"provided by those who are pushing this agenda are -- at best -- examples of weather, normal cyclical change in global variances, or micro-area climate variances. At worse those "proofs" are errors, fraud or superstition. The actions of man remain insufficient to seriously move the needle on a two-thirds water planet of this size.
As to whether or not there is natural global climate change, there always has been and always will be natural global climate change so long as this planet is habitable for life as we know it. You cannot have a habitable world without climate change.
Edited on July 3, 2012 at 9:07pmJun '12
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First off, let me state I am *not* an alarmist on this issue. However, most of the posts in this thread are dismissing the problem without any real knowledge of the data. As conservatives, we pride ourselves on understanding the other side's argument. With that in mind, there is some very real, hard science from real, measured data that shows a long term trend upwards in temperatures since the 1860's (thereabouts). We can (and should) have a lively debate about how and why. A common whipping boy are the climate models and one poster noted that none of the "predictions" have turned out correct. Here's evidence to the contrary: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/michael-crichtons-state-of-confusion/.
I encourage folks to at least look at the data in the various HADCRUT (global temperature) series for themselves. This subject is too important to relegate it to rhetorical finger pointing, straw men arguments and logical fallacies.
Mar '12
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Presumably, the planet has been warming since the low point of the last ice age. Do climate scientists have an identified explanation of the cause of the interglaciation warmings that allows them to project with certainty the curve of "normal" global warming that is being driven by that cause and thus to demonstrate the man-caused CO2 warming that is occurring above such normal curve? And, have they definitively ruled out any other possible causes of the "abnormal" warming, such as the sunspot cycle? I have the impression that the answer to each question is no, and further, that any scientist raising such matters for the last 20 years is promptly labeled a denier, and drummed out of the respectable scientific community.
Jun '12
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"Do climate scientists have an identified explanation of the cause of the interglaciation warmings that allows them to project with certainty the curve of "normal" global warming that is being driven by that cause and thus to demonstrate the man-caused CO2 warming that is occurring above such normal curve?"
Actually, you don't need to do that. If you have a physical model for climate forcing (and one exists), a starting point, and a set of inputs you can construct a prediction (a climate model) and see how accurate you are. As much as we like to claim the models are incorrect the link in my previous post suggests that at least one has been mostly correct.
"And, have they definitively ruled out any other possible causes of the "abnormal" warming, such as the sunspot cycle?" Not "definitively" but it's "pretty sure."
Your last contention boils down to conspiracy theory and nothing I can say will change your mind on that point.
Edited on July 3, 2012 at 10:22pmApr '12
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I don't have time to read that whole article, but it did point out that estimates of warming were 300% higher than actual warming.
I've been following this issue since the 80's and I challenge you to show 1 prediction that has been proven true.
As far as data is concerned, there has been some confusion as evidenced by the East Anglia email scandal ... they can't find the data.
Hey, I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for quite some time but reading the IPCC report is was made me a skeptic. This report, as with so many others, obsesses about worst case scenarios which become the issue.
This is nothing less than fear mongering and when the red flags came up, I did more research in earnest.
The original "hockey stick" graph which was so scary, turned out to be false. And ice core samples show CO2 increases following temperature increases, not the other way around. There are flaws at all levels.
Jun '12
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TheRoyalFamily
Even if all the Climate Change stuff were true, and the world was warming and all that, why wouldn't it be a good thing?
(Of course, if it were all true, it would be simultaneously both dryer and wetter, which would end life as we know it.) · 2 hours ago
I live in MPLS and 20,000 years ago (otherwise known as...a blink of an eye) there was an ice sheet about 1 mile thick...HOORAY FOR CLIMATE CHANGE!
A 1 mile high ice sheet can really make commuting a cast iron bitch. :-)
Jun '12
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Highlama
I don't have time to read that whole article, but it did point out that estimates of warming were 300% higher than actual warming.
I've been following this issue since the 80's and I challenge you to show 1 prediction that has been proven true.
I recall reading an article predicting an increase in funding to study it.
Although I don't think that is what you are talking about....still it was a prediction..and it did come true. :-)
Apr '12
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FloppyDisk90: Actually, you don't need to do that. If you have a physical model for climate forcing (and one exists), a starting point, and a set of inputs you can construct a prediction (a climate model) and see how accurate you are.
"And, have they definitively ruled out any other possible causes of the "abnormal" warming, such as the sunspot cycle?" Not "definitively" but it's "pretty sure."
You last contention boils down to conspiracy theory and nothing I can say will change your mind on that point. · 1 minute ago
Wikipedia lists 14 elements of climate forcing with the caveat that the list may not reflect recent changes. One of the problems with science is that "the show must go on", scientists are compelled to assume that their limited scope is actually comprehensive (which it is, but only in a limited way).
I am not going to accept that the model is valid, nor, due to the significant pressure in producing desired results, that it will be used scientifically.
And while it seems that scientists have rules out solar causality, I still have to wonder why temperatures on nearby planets have been recorded as increasing.
Edited on July 3, 2012 at 10:52pmJun '12
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Highlama
And while it seems that scientists have rules out solar causality, I still have to wonder why temperatures on nearby planets have been recorded as increasing. · 1 minute ago
Simple. They ruled it out in error. The only possible explanation for temperatures on other planets increasing is the sun.
But "the sun" doesn't get researchers fat government grants, so that answer is ruled out of order to keep the tax dollars flowing into their pockets.
Sep '10
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FloppyDisk90: ...
However, most of the posts in this thread are dismissing the problem without any real knowledge of the data.
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Here's evidence to the contrary: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/michael-crichtons-state-of-confusion/.
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This subject is too important to relegate it to rhetorical finger pointing, straw men arguments and logical fallacies. · 11 minutes ago
There is a difference between disputing the facts and "dismissing the problem." Most people agree temperature and sea level are rising. That does not mean there is a problem. They were rising long before the industrial era. The issues are attribution (why are they rising) and action (can and should we do anything about it?). I don't think most folks were disputing the facts.
The article you linked at RealClimate has some issues:
1. It's old (2004).
2. It's written by Gavin Schmidt, a true climate alarmist.
3. It is a review of a book, a work of fiction, not a scientific treatise.
4. It does not address the most significant objections to the alarmist case.
RealClimate usually engages in the ceremonious toppling of straw men, rather than a serious discussion of objections to climate alarmism.