Of Course They Did
Speaks for itself: 25 Jesuits in Wisconsin signed petition to recall Gov. Scott Walker. This link provides some colorful details:
EMM has learned Marquette University High School President Rev. Warren Samaza, SJ acted as a signature gatherer for the left’s effort to recall Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. I’m sure many parents who sacrifice to send their sons to Marquette High School to learn Catholic values will be thrilled to know he’s so committed to undoing their votes from the 2010 gubernatorial election. Oh well, if they can afford that school, they’re probably greedy undertaxed one percenters.
Sazama isn’t the only Jesuit in the Marquette community who is on board to replace the Marquette University alum governor with a pro-abort/pro-gay marriage/pro-welfare state secular humanist Democrat. One of the signatures Sazama personally collected was that of Marquette University Trustee Father Thomas Lawler, SJ. Oh, and, Lawler also happens to be the Provincial Superior of all Jesuits for Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming.
Father Willian O’Leary, SJ was so caught up in recall fever that signed the petition twice. On 11/19/12, he signed using the address 10100 W Wisconsin Ave. Then on 12/9/12 he signed again using the address 10100 W Bluemound Rd. Both addresses are part of the St Camillus Campus in Wauwatosa. Thanks a lot, padre. Much appreciated.
Father William J. Brennan, SJ also acted as a signature gatherer. Father Bill is a colorful character. In 2007 he travelled to Cuba in order to perform an ecumenical service at the tomb of the marxist mass killer Che Guevara. I’m sure his heart was in the right place-lol.
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Jan '11
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It's funny. The history books assure us that the Catholic Church punishes dissent (but never does) while the party of compassion is dripping with mercy and sweetness and tolerance (tell that to Bob Casey).
Catholic faith is accused of believing something without proof. But Democrat faith is just believing something despite proof to the contrary.
Feb '11
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Look Away, I hear what you are saying, and for me it comes down to where is Truth. Not who is in the club. After all, if the Church is willing to take me in, with all my faults, then I am not one to turn away from Her because of the other sinners in the fold. He won't separate the wheat from the chaff til after the harvest, but He promises to sort it all out in His own good time...
Also I recall that of the 12 men who received holy orders from Christ at the Last Supper, 1 of them didn't turn out so well. So it is to be expected that not all our bishops are paragons? Peace!
Apr '11
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KC Mulville:
Liberals often answer that by saying that the poor don't have time to be far-sighted. Yes -
No.
As usual, the Liberal Fascists have slipped a false premise into the discussion. After 15 years, 5% of the bottom 20% (in income) are still in the bottom quintile. By comparison, 29% are in the top quintile. The poor do have time to be far-sighted and are so.
Apr '11
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KC Mulville: Speaks for itself? Humor me, I'm obviously deaf. What does it say? · 3 hours ago
Yes for all four, given that all the categories are baby-killing, anti-human collectivist centralizers, with no compunction about using coercion and violence, and dedicated to abrogating our Constitutional order.
Aug '10
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Grendel
KC Mulville:
Liberals often answer that by saying that the poor don't have time to be far-sighted. Yes -
No.
As usual, the Liberal Fascists have slipped a false premise into the discussion. After 15 years, 5% of the bottom 20% (in income) are still in the bottom quintile. By comparison, 29% are in the top quintile. The poor dohave time to be far-sighted and are so. · 2 minutes ago
And those that remain do not suffer from hunger, exposure or from the lack of cellphones.
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Here are just a couple of related articles today. In the New York Times, coverage of dissenting nuns . In First Things, an excellent piece on one of the main spokesmen for the Catholic left, Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne. And another fine piece from Gerry Bradley explaining the ideological underpinnings of the contraceptive mandate, and why the same people who believe Paul Ryan a menace to the Catholic church are silent about what our Health and Human Services Secretary is doing with her contraceptive mandate.
Apr '11
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As an alum of Marquette High, and someone who was taught by Father Sazama more than 25 years ago, I am not surprised that some of the Jesuits there supported the recall. My experience was that there were some Jesuits who were left-wing - supported the welfare state to help the poor - and some were right-wing - supported business, work and faith as the best way to help the poor (I would have placed Father Charles Stang into this category, but that is my feeling, not any particular knowledge). However, in this instance it is helpful to remember that these are TEACHERS. They may have seen themselves as supporting their fellow teachers in getting all they deserve. Also, Mayor Barrett is a Marquette High alum, which may or may not have entered into their thinking.
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McBride, With all due respect, that's a reasonable explanation but one that makes my point. Signing a petition to recall a governor simply because his Democratic opponent is an alumnus of your high school is hardly a compelling argument, especially when that Democratic candidate's position on abortion is at odds with what the Jesuits presumably believe on life. That's especially true if they are teachers. It rather tells you where their priorities are.
Nov '10
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Mama Toad, I hear you and you make sense as ususal. All I can say as like any good southern man, his relationship with his Lord is rock steady and sacrosanct. It is the middlemen that are sometimes the stumbling block. My Dear One says this might cause me to go to the bad place. Hope not. Bless You!
Jan '11
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For the record, Scott Walker did go to Marquette. They're both (to some degree) Jesuit educated.
Apr '11
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Mr. McGurn, I agree with you. I believe that their interest in signing the recall petition may be because they believe that teachers should be compensated more than they are (the fact that Mayor Barrett is an MUHS alum is just a side-note).
I totally agree that the church and clergy are often supporting political leaders that are pro-abortion. My Jesuit educational experience included strong doses of personal responsibility and respect for life. One reason I respect the Jesuit tradition is the fact that they are teachers - they try to better people's lives through education, not just through hand-outs. As you said, the priorities of these teachers appears to be at odds with what they teach.
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When John Paul II succeeded Pope Paul VI, he chose not to follow through on the initiative taken by the latter in the direction of shutting down the Jesuit order. It is a shame that he did not do so.
I say this as someone who was a freshman at Regis High School in Denver and who spent some time with the Jesuits in St. Mary, Kansas. Every once in a while the order goes off the rails. After it has been shut down, it can be restarted.
Jan '11
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Just for the record, can you provide details on this initiative?
May '11
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As a Marquette Alumnus I cannot say I am surprised. My academic adviser was on the list. Most, but not all, of the Jesuits were "New Dealers" and my assessment at the time (many years ago) was that FDR ran a close second to Jesus in the hearts of many Jesuits. There was a reflexive Democrat bias. A zeal for big government to help the poor.
This gets to Paul Rahe's contention that "social justice" trumped the right to life, and it was something I struggled with during my years at Marquette.
I would argue with KC that voting Democrat is in fact anti-Catholic. I am not sure I would win the argument, but I would argue the point.
Jan '11
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Well, isn't that the fun of Ricochet? Conversation? It doesn't have to be a bitter hateful death match, but a respectful dispute done properly is kind of fun. Otherwise we would swoon between an echo chamber and gladiator-blogging, neither of which is much fun.
So, let me try this on you, and see how you respond.
Politics is a practical application of morality. Logically, however, it doesn't follow that impracticality proves immorality. It isn't a two-way street.
That's why I can't agree that voting Democrat is a sin. Wrong and often stupid, sure ... but sinful? Nah. That's a bridge too far.
Jan '11
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If a Catholic politician came out and said that abortion was moral, then they'd be wrong ... and sinful.
Most liberal Catholic politicians (except for the real idiots, like Pelosi) won't say that abortion is moral. Instead, they fall back on the excuse that it's a private matter, or that it's government intrusion, or yada-yada. Are they all sinners? Because now the argument isn't about abortion, it's about what government's responsibilities are.
But here's the limit-case question: if Hugo Chavez suddenly became pro-life ... and a conservative opponent happened to be pro-choice ... are you morally obliged to vote for Chavez?
What if both parties nominate pro-lifers, or both pro-choicers? Is voting Democrat a sin then?
Social justice doesn't trump abortion, I certainly agree. Does abortion trump everything else? Or is it one issue among many?
(BTW, if this doesn't bring katievs back, I don't know what will.)
Jun '12
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New Ricochet member here. I've been lurking for a year, finally joined last night. KC- I'm a cradle Catholic, raised in the morally ambivalent church of the late 60's through the 70's. Parochially educated 2-12. And frankly the 50 shades of grey I was taught then was a disservice to the Church and to me. There are absolutes in this life, and voting for a pro-abortion candidate when a pro-life candidate is also running is a sin. Thank the Lord I haven't had to make the decision between a pro-life Chavez and a pro-abortion Conservative. And don't start me on "Social Justice". That is the biggest pile of garbage and waste of resorces since we tried to determine how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. If you believe the Gospels and try to bring people to Christ, Social Justice will occur. If you try to teach Social Justice and legislate caring for the poor, you've lost your focus on saving souls. That is what has happened to my Church, and I hope we are starting to turn that around.
Jan '11
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I do also, but it isn't going to be easy.
Walter Cronkite used to claim that journalists were liberal because they had t0 spend so much time among the poor and the outcast, as if compassion forced you to drop all sense, strategy, reason and discipline. The poor need money, and government has it, so let's ignore every other consideration and get the government to give money.
We see the results. The poor haven't gotten any better, in fact they've gotten worse. For these worse results, we've poured zillions of dollars.
The only people who came out better were the emotional idiots who soothed their conscience, never mind the results. They feel better about themselves, even if everyone else is worse off than before.
Sadly, so many people live out their faith through that same self-serving "compassion" for the poor, and count themselves saintly.
By the way, welcome to Ricochet!
Mar '12
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What an illuminating thread! I haven't had much occasion to consider the wanderings of American Catholic clerisy in the Leftist desert since my father died in 1999. The only light I can contribute, from the perspective of 12 years of Catholic education in the 50s and 60s: I would not overlook the role of Sputnik and its effect on all American education. Testing resulted in tracking anyone with above average IQ (which included most of those with priestly vocations) into a heavily science and math-oriented education. This profoundly secularized the worldview of many of us; by 1965, expressly spiritual or non-materialistic statements became embarrassing, primitive, in educated Catholic circles. The "social gospel" probably seemed the only way to reconcile a life of abstinence and poverty with such a materialistic world view. Of course, there has been a long tradition of good works (hospitals, poor houses, prison ministry) in the Catholic Church that apparently resonates with the social gospel. As KC notes, the real test of compassion is not intention, but results. This gets to the heart of the matter, which materialism always misses.
Edited on June 7, 2012 at 8:44pmMar '12
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The Jesuits have a nose for power.. and they think that can claim power through taking these positions .. they call it being culturally sensitive. But the moment they see that can't take power in society any more through this method, they will find another.