Obama Asserts Executive Privilege
President Obama has invoked "executive privilege" to head off a contempt of Congress citation against Eric Holder for failing to produce documents relating to operation "Fast and Furious," the bizarre DOJ initiative to send thousands of firearms to Mexican drug cartels to see what they would do with them (kill people, as it happens).
Over on the Member Feed, ConservativeWanderer helpfully reminds us of the NYT editorial blasting Bush for invoking the privilege to block congressional subpoenas over the firing of 8 federal prosecutors. But it wasn't just the Times, then-Senator Barack Obama also attacked Bush for "try [ing] to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place."
Don't hold your breath for a NYT editorial against the Obama/Holder privilege, but a court challenge may be in order. Under existing precedent (including the famous US v. Nixon), executive privilege is not impregnable. Heritage's Todd Gaziano has a good post highlighting the relevant law, which I summarize:
First, executive privilege cannot be invoked at all if the purpose is to shield wrongdoing – that’s what did Nixon in. Second, Congress is entitled to at least some documents and other information that indicate who the ultimate decision maker was for this disastrous program and why these decisions were made. Third, even a proper invocation of the privilege must yield to other branches’ need for information in some cases. And lastly, the President is required when invoking executive privilege to try to accommodate the other branches’ legitimate information needs in some other way.
If Democrats contend that executive privilege must yield to Congress's desire to investigate the firing of 8 prosecutors, how can they argue that Congress does not have an even stronger need to know the facts about Fast and Furious? Who knows, but they obviously will make that argument. House Republicans have to challenge the administration on this -- it's the only hope of getting Fast and Furious the infamy it deserves.
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May '12
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Shannon Coffin thinks there could be a reasonable basis for at least part of Obama's executive privilege claim.
Edited on June 20, 2012 at 8:57pmMay '12
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Related topic question for Mr. Freedman or other Ricoteers:
What is the impact of the contempt vote? If AG Holder is found in contempt does it have any meaning or does AG Holder just give Congress the proverbial one finger salute to let them know he thinks they are number 1 and go on down the road?
Thank you.
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I recall something about a promise of the most transparent government in history.
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Cylon: Shannon Coffin thinks there could be a reasonable basis for at least part of Obama's executive privilege claim.
Well, if it was clear-cut, Obama could have invoked the privilege months ago, when Congress first began demanding the documents. Deliberative process won't apply if the purpose of the privilege is to shield wrongdoing, which I think is likely. And even if some of the documents can be withheld on the basis of deliberative process, it isn't credible to say that Congress is not entitled to a single one of the documents they've requested.
Mar '11
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BrentB67: Related topic question for Mr. Freedman or other Ricoteers:
What is the impact of the contempt vote? If AG Holder is found in contempt does it have any meaning or does AG Holder just give Congress the proverbial one finger salute to let them know he thinks they are number 1 and go on down the road?
If he is found in contempt by the Oversight Committee it is referred to the full House. If the House votes to find him in contempt the matter is referred to the US Attorney for the District of Columbia. This is a criminal issue that holds some small fine and something like a maximum one year in prison.
Re: Obama Asserts Executive Privilege
BrentB67: Related topic question for Mr. Freedman or other Ricoteers:
What is the impact of the contempt vote? If AG Holder is found in contempt does it have any meaning or does AG Holder just give Congress the proverbial one finger salute to let them know he thinks they are number 1 and go on down the road?
Thank you. · 15 minutes ago
The administration does not believe it is in contempt because of "executive privilege" and Congress has no independent means to enforce a contempt order. I believe that Congress would either have to take Obama to court or demand the appointment of a special prosecutor.
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Jager
BrentB67: Related topic question for Mr. Freedman or other Ricoteers:
What is the impact of the contempt vote? If AG Holder is found in contempt does it have any meaning or does AG Holder just give Congress the proverbial one finger salute to let them know he thinks they are number 1 and go on down the road?
If he is found in contempt by the Oversight Committee it is referred to the full House. If the House votes to find him in contempt the matter is referred to the US Attorney for the District of Columbia. This is a criminal issue that holds some small fine and something like a maximum one year in prison. · 0 minutes ago
I don't think the US Attorney can prosecute the case if the President has declared that privilege applies. That's why I think you'd need a special prosecutor.
May '12
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Gentlemen - Thank you for the thoughtful comments. Sounds like the one finger salute from AG Holder. There is a danger in pressing this too hard.
Obama can do no wrong to his base so he gets a pass from them and every news bite on this topic is one that is not commenting on the economy.
May '11
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I am tempted to watch NBC Nightly News tonight to see how they cover this. On the other hand, I may not be that desperate for entertainment.
Aug '10
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"executive privilege cannot be invoked at all if the purpose is to shield wrongdoing"
Okay, I get that. But how does it apply if the purpose is to shield dangerous stupidity pushing an agenda of limiting the Second Amendment ?
Aug '10
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The perfect blunder at the perfect time to help Americans see and understand just how destructive the Occupier-in-Chief and his minions and party hacks are.
Aug '10
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Partly true, but his base is shrinking and could shrink further. You can bet the Clinonistas are squirming turning red in the face at this corruption and ineptitude. It endangers everybody.
BrentB67: Gentlemen - Thank you for the thoughtful comments. Sounds like the one finger salute from AG Holder. There is a danger in pressing this too hard.
Obama can do no wrong to his base so he gets a pass from them and every news bite on this topic is one that is not commenting on the economy. · 46 minutes ago
Jul '11
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It's like staring at the sun and being shelled at the same time.
Jul '11
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BrentB67: Gentlemen - Thank you for the thoughtful comments. Sounds like the one finger salute from AG Holder. There is a danger in pressing this too hard.
Obama can do no wrong to his base so he gets a pass from them and every news bite on this topic is one that is not commenting on the economy. · 49 minutes ago
There is a danger in not pressing this far enough as well. There are enough people overtly upset about this issue already and failure to dispense justice has its own backlash.
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DocJay
BrentB67: Gentlemen - Thank you for the thoughtful comments. Sounds like the one finger salute from AG Holder. There is a danger in pressing this too hard.
Obama can do no wrong to his base so he gets a pass from them and every news bite on this topic is one that is not commenting on the economy. · 49 minutes ago
There is a danger in not pressing this far enough as well. There are enough people overtly upset about this issue already and failure to dispense justice has its own backlash. · 1 minute ago
I see both sides, but on balance I think the House should press this. Romney needs to keep pressing on the economy 24/7, but the news media needs other topics to cover now and then.
Dec '10
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Adam,
As usual you know the law better than I. However from a tactical political point of view I think we are ahead and scoring points. If there wasn't anything to hide why would the White House invoke executive privilege? Any constitutional legal answer that holds water (not the Obama administration's long suit) will undoubtably be too complex for ready understanding by the voters. Fast and Furious is very understandable and a huge negative.
If the House Committee justs keeps pounding away Romney could stay on the economic message. It's a political loss for Obama even if he can maintain the privilege wall.
Who knows what else may shake loose.
Regards,
Jim
Jul '10
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Pot, meet kettle.
Wait, is that racist? I can never keep track. :(
Mar '11
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flownover: "executive privilege cannot be invoked at all if the purpose is to shield wrongdoing"
Okay, I get that. But how does it apply if the purpose is to shield dangerous stupidity pushing an agenda of limiting the Second Amendment ? · 1 hour ago
The problem here is that a Federal Agent and many Mexican civilians were killed with Fast and Furious weapons. There should be no executive privilege in determining who knew what and when.
Sep '11
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Even if Romney himself doesn't use it, this political ad practically writes itself. I hope some group takes advantage.
Jun '10
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DutchTex: Even if Romney himself doesn't use it, this political ad practically writes itself. I hope some group takes advantage.
It doesn't help Romney much, if at all. It's complicated, and most likely won't be resolved before the election. Romney has to stick to economic issues. That's what America is losing sleep over.