Obama is now bargaining with Romney.   They've offered to not demand other tax records if Future President Romney hands over five years of tax records.  That doesn't seem to be much of a deal to me.  May I suggest a counter proposal?  

One year taxes for Obama's school records.

One year tax records for undoing Obama's executive order covering up Fast and Furious.

One year tax records for Obama's medical records.

One year tax records for documents of how much Obama's giving to his half brother George.

One year tax records for computer files which reveal the idenity of Obama's overseas donators.     

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DocJay
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DocJay

SAT scores.

Legal country status in college?

1981 passport for Pakistan trip?

Natalie
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Natalie

An IQ test.

Credit report.

An explanation of why he told his publicist that he was born in Kenya.

Natalie
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Natalie

A drug test.

Financial Records from the Joyce Foundation regarding CCX.

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole
Sweet and Low: Obama is now bargaining with Romney.   They've offered to not demand other tax records if Future President Romney hands over five years of tax records.  That doesn't seem to be much of a deal to me.  May I suggest a counter proposal?  

How about he just makes them public so we, the voters, don't know he has any conflicts of interest and for the sake of honest and open government.

His school records  are irrelevant.

Documents of how much he gives his brother are irrelevant.

flownover
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flownover

Axelrod tries this every time, tax records, divorce records, whatever .

Hopefully Mitt will continue to refuse, and the press will continue to whine and the public will continue to get bored with the idea that someone on the Republican side could get as far by lying as the one on the Democrat side has.

Edited on August 17, 2012 at 10:44pm

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Tuco

This article about Mr. Obama's unreleased transcripts has the ring of truth to it.  

After all, not enough people cared about Rev. Wright, the Weather Underground, and Tony Rezco back in '08 to keep him out of office.  What could possibly be worse about his Columbia transcripts to keep them hidden from view?  No one would care about average/poor grades or lefty classes...

As to the tax returns, I hope Romney resists because whatever effective rate Romney paid, the media will posit that it is too low.  On the other hand, having known he was going to run in 2012, Romney should have anticipated this, bit the bullet for the last four years, and increased his tax exposure.

Yeah...ok.
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Yeah...ok.

Why didn't Obama check the tax records of his own appointees? Didn't half the cabinet owe back taxes?

Edited on August 18, 2012 at 1:01am
Maggie Somavilla
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Maggie Somavilla

"If you give me five years of tax records, we promise not to mention it again for the rest of the campaign" sounds a lot like, ¨If you give me your lunch I won't beat you up."  I don't think Romney will bite. Certainly hope not.


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Pete E

Still new to Ricochet. How do I vote this "up" toward the main feed?

Instugator
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Instugator

Fred Cole

How about he just makes them public so we, the voters, don't know he has any conflicts of interest and for the sake of honest and open government.

I actually looked at his tax return already released. When it got to investments there was this 'trust' thingy, which I assume is the 'blind trust' I've heard about - but no additional details

However, Fred, doesn't it go against your values to report anything to the government, even those things required by law? Aren't you on record as saying the government intrudes too much on our lives?

As a second question, since you aren't voting for either Romney or Obama in this election, why aren't you adopting the libertarian 'live and let live' attitude and simply sneering at the rest of us. 

I will confess that I care more about Obama's school records, SAT scores than Romney's tax records - but only because I want fodder to poke at Obama.
As for what Romney has already released - good enough.

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole
However, Fred, doesn'tit go againstyour values to report anything to the government, even those things required by law? Aren't you on record as saying the government intrudes too much on our lives?

You won't find a bigger advocate of personal privacy on this board than me.  However, when Mitt Romney decided to run for president, he entered the public arena.  He's seeking the highest office in the land, the most powerful office in the world.  Far more power than any one man should have. 

In my eyes, he and every other public official or candidate for high office is guilty until proven innocent.  When a man is seeking the most powerful office in the world, with command of the most powerful military in the world, with millions of public employees at his command, he has a duty to disclose his financial dealings, so that we may examine them and make determinations.

In this way, he is not disclosing it to the government, indeed he has long ago done that when he filed his tax returns, he's disclosing it to us, the public, the ones who, unlike the government, have a right to know.
 (Cont'd)

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole

The Democrats are demanding he release his tax returns for the wrong reason.  They're not interested in conflicts of interest.  They are demanding them for the same reason you want to see Obama's SAT scores: Stupid partisan pissing points.

I'm not playing that game. I'm interested for a different reason.

Percival
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Percival
Pete E: Still new to Ricochet. How do I vote this "up" toward the main feed? · 9 hours ago

Hey there, Pete!  It's the will and the whim of the almighty Editors.

James Of England
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James Of England

Fred Cole: The Democrats are demanding he release his tax returns for the wrong reason.  They're not interested in conflicts of interest.  They are demanding them for the same reason you want to see Obama's SAT scores: Stupid partisan pissing points.

I'm not playing that game. I'm interested for a different reason. · 9 hours ago

He released his financial holdings. What additional information relevant to conflicts of interest do you believe could be gleaned from his tax returns?

Fred Cole
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Fred Cole

James Of England

He released his financial holdings. What additional information relevant to conflicts of interest do you believe could be gleaned from his tax returns? · 13 minutes ago

I don't know.  He's an honest guy probably.  

I understand his desire for privacy, especially financial privacy.  I understand his desire to avoid having people picked apart and question the legality of every little deduction.

But when he decided he wanted to be president he knew he'd have to give up some of that privacy.  This is an aspect of that, and I don't think its unreasonable that he release them.

James Of England
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James Of England

Fred Cole

James Of England

He released his financial holdings. What additional information relevant to conflicts of interest do you believe could be gleaned from his tax returns? · 13 minutes ago

I don't know.  He's an honest guy probably.  

I understand his desire for privacy, especially financial privacy.  I understand his desire to avoid having people picked apart and question the legality of every little deduction.

But when he decided he wanted to be president he knew he'd have to give up some of that privacy.  This is an aspect of that, and I don't think its unreasonable that he release them. · 2 hours ago

Right. I agree that he loses some privacy, but you put forward a specific reason for that, a reason that I believe to be baseless, and a reason that you'd claimed before. I'd appreciate it if you'd either provide support for the claim that the federal law on this subject is inadequately intrusive to prevent conflicts of interest from becoming apparent, in a way that would be helped by the release of older tax returns, or cease making the inaccurate claim.

Instugator
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Instugator

Fred Cole

However, Fred, doesn'tit go againstyour values to report anything to the government, even those things required by law? Aren't you on record as saying the government intrudes too much on our lives?

You won't find a bigger advocate of personal privacy on this board than me.  However, when Mitt Romney decided to run for president, he entered the public arena.  He's seeking the highest office in the land, the most powerful office in the world.  Far more power than any one man should have. 

In my eyes, he and every other public official or candidate for high office is guilty until proven innocent.  

No bigger advocate for personal privacy until it comes to a class of people you don't like. Got it.


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Sweet and Low

Fred Cole

You won't find a bigger advocate of personal privacy on this board than me.  However, when Mitt Romney decided to run for president, he entered the public arena.  He's seeking the highest office in the land, the most powerful office in the world.  Far more power than any one man should have. 

In my eyes, he and every other public official or candidate for high office is guilty until proven innocent. 

You have two choices here....Romney or Obama.  Sitting the election out because Romney isn't sufficiently pure is a vote for Obama.  A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama.  Being one of those "Republicans" who love to trash Romney, to prove that you're a "maverick" and "free thinker" makes you a foot soldier for Obama.   We had a time for the "guilty until proven innocent" debate - it was called the Primaries. 

drlorentz
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drlorentz

Fred Cole

His school records  are irrelevant.

Not according to your homie, Wayne Root. If you'll recall, he was the Libertarian vice presidential nominee in 2008. Mr. Root explains in great detail why Mr. Obama's school records may be most relevant. Is Mr. Root also asking because of "stupid partisan pissing points"?

Curiously, the same reason was floated in the most recent Ricochet podcast. Coincidence....?

;)

jonsouth
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jonsouth

Funny, but I bet if it were Republicans calling for release of Obama's tax records, they'd have been branded "taxers" and pushed to the lunatic fringes by now.


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