The King Prawn · Dec 20, 2011 at 3:55pm

Well, you're probably all very tired of me posting these, but since a lot of people had Perry in their top 3 candidates on the quiz Ben Domenech posted I figure we should see why. This ad combined with everything else being said about the candidates would be pitch perfect if there were more than 2 weeks left. And don't forget to save a pretzel for the gas jets...

By the way, there's also this ad.

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Frozen Chosen
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Frozen Chosen

It's unfortunate to see Ricky parrot Newt's anti-capitalist rant about Romney's private sector experience.  Especially in light of how Perry has lined his pockets with money from Texas capitalists due to the lack of campaign finance laws in his state.

Oh well, desparate times call for desparate measures, I suppose...

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

 Frozen, take this however you will, but name one idea Romney ever had. What is one product available or improved today because he did something other than schmooze other people for money? Investment is great and necessary, but it is not the same as producing something.

Frozen Chosen
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Frozen Chosen

 King,

Romney's ideas in his private sector life revolved around how to run companies more efficiently so they could be more profitable, which is the heart of capitalism.  His ideas as governor were about how to balance the state budget and do so without raising taxes.  Neither enterprise involved any huge, earth-shaking single ideas but rather many smaller ideas and how to effectively implement them.

Venture capital is not about schmoozing people for money but about providing money to companies that need capital to expand and grow.

If your concern about Romney is that he has never produced anything like a better widget or a cure for cancer, then this charge is equally valid for Perry and Gingrich who have spent most of their adult lives in government, for heaven's sake!

Edited on Dec 20, 2011 at 1:41pm
The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

 I agree that none of our candidates has much real main street experience. Perry was in the Air Force and did at least work for some time on his family farm. Newt taught in college. Romney was a consultant and a venture capitalist. None of these really demonstrates a connection to every day Americans.

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Frozen Chosen
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Frozen Chosen

 I always loved that one! (the consulting poster, that is).


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Guruforhire

 Mighty tall words from a man who is wealthy because of ethically dubious land deals because of his government connections.  But hey.

Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser

 I saw that Perry ad over at the Corner and thought, like Frozen, "You gotta be kidding me!": The "profited from laying off workers" nonsense is an attack from the left.

At least Newt had the excuse that his rant was spur-of-the-moment and a misrepresentation of his true thoughts. For Perry, this was premeditated.

Maybe Perry's jumbled speaking does reflect jumbled thinking.

Mel Foil
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etoiledunord

As a Perry ad, it's an even better Santorum ad.


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James Of England
The King Prawn:  Frozen, take this however you will, but name one idea Romney ever had. What is one product available or improved today because he did something other than schmooze other people for money? Investment is great and necessary, but it is not the same as producing something. · Dec 20 at 12:39pm

Staples. Mitt helped revolutionize office product sales. Brookstone is also kind of a unique thing, and the store in its current form is a Mitt creation. Most of what he did was duller than that; shops which were incremental improvements in people's lives, factories that produced boring things. You know, the sort of stuff that main street produces. Also the sort of stuff that creates jobs. Unless, as Perry suggests, it's government that creates them.


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James Of England

For what it's worth, I'm kind of admiring of the way that he gets "the problem is spending and taxes and these guys caused it" into a complete ad in which both Newt and Mitt having spending rate decreases as their signature achievement (and actually cutting spending in real terms in Mitt's case) is not spectacularly awkward.

Does Perry have an economic plan that wouldn't require him to raise the debt ceiling? I thought he wanted tax cuts.

The King Prawn
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James Of England

Staples. Mitt helped revolutionize office product sales. 

Actually, he provided money (not his own) for someone else to revolutionize office product sales. It's a particularly useful skill, but it's still not the same.

James Of England

Unless, as Perry suggests, it's government that creates them. 

If you know anything about Perry you know that his idea of how to create jobs is to get government out of the way by having fair taxation, a reasonable and predictable regulatory climate, and by reducing litigation. It seems to be a reasonable method.

The King Prawn
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James Of England:

Does Perry have an economic plan that wouldn't require him to raise the debt ceiling? I thought he wanted tax cuts. · Dec 20 at 4:59pm

Perry's first rule of good governance is "don't spend all the money." It's about cutting for him. That whole taking a wrecking ball to Washington thing. Now if he just knew which three agencies to cut first...

Tom Wilson
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Perry's point against Romney would be more effective if it was based in conservative principle, but his point was an echo of the Occupy Wall street creed. But of course Perry's the real conservative:(sarcasm)

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn
Tom Wilson: Perry's point against Romney would be more effective if it was based in conservative principle, but his point was an echo of the Occupy Wall street creed. But of course Perry's the real conservative:(sarcasm) · Dec 20 at 5:09pm

Are we to be unrealistic enough to pretend everything done by Bain Capital was angelic? If I can deal honestly with Perry's hoof-in-mouth disease (and other serious flaws) then supporters of other candidates should own up to their fella's failings.


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Palaeologus

These are pretty effective lines of attack; if he's going anywhere it's as a populist everyman.

Pretty consistently Perry has had good ads. Based on his campaign, I can see how he was elected three times. 

But a good campaign can only make up for an awful candidate if he's hidden. Tough to do that when the office is the presidency.

James Gawron
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James Gawron

Guys, if you have followed any of my posts, you know I like very powerful pure ideas.  However, sometimes it's not about the power of your ideas or the logic of your argument.  Sometimes it's about whether you come across at a gut level to the people who must vote for you if you are to be elected.  Mr. Perry is extremely good at that.  The King Prawn has a great 'gut' and can feel Perry's punch with ordinary people.  Ordinary people are the ones who elect you.

As for political manipulation of the electorate, I admire two quotes of two great men.

1) Winston Churchill -

"Democracy is the worst system except for every other one."

2) Abraham Linclon -

"You can fool some of the people all of the time,

You can fool all of the people some of the time,

but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

We must reserve judgment until the primaries.  Then we will find out just what the people really think and about whom.

Michael Tee
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Michael Tee

Well they've only spent about 600K in the last week so far.


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James Of England

The King Prawn

James Of England

Staples. Mitt helped revolutionize office product sales. 

Actually, he provided money (not his own) for someone else to revolutionize office product sales. It's a particularly useful skill, but it's still not the same.

That is how a lot of PE works, how almost all PE worked until Mitt changed things. He'd been a management consultant before, but wanted to be more actively involved and to take ownership positions in order to really follow through on his ideas, so he set up Bain Capital in order to do it. They charged about 50% more than a PE firm would, but you got hands on management, with a far more intensive analysis than you would get traditionally. This is why Mitt refers to himself as a turnaround artist rather than a PE guy.

Traditional PE didn't earn you a greater than 100% annual profit over that long a career. Since Mitt, PE firms have taken on a greater role in management (whaddaya know? Another innovation key to American growth!), and Bain now takes on more traditional deals, but the firm was built on future rock stars (Mitt attracted top people) transforming companies.


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James Of England

The King Prawn

James Of England

Unless, as Perry suggests, it's government that creates them. 

If you know anything about Perry you know that his idea of how to create jobs is to get government out of the way by having fair taxation, a reasonable and predictable regulatory climate, and by reducing litigation. It seems to be a reasonable method.

In general, I'd agree. The spot shows him shaking hands with some carpenters, though, in a way that suggests an unfortunately direct link between Perry's action and their working, rather than the indirect action of the freed market. Plus, it is explicitly opposed to the Wall Street whose investments he eased. The spot claims that Perry somehow did this as part of Main Street. The governor's mansion is not on Main Street, nor is the State House, nor even the airbase. His college internships were pretty main street, but I don't think that that's what he's talking about.

Still, my statement was lacking in nuance and your suggestion that it was overstated (if I read you right) is well taken.


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James Of England

The King Prawn

James Of England:

Does Perry have an economic plan that wouldn't require him to raise the debt ceiling? I thought he wanted tax cuts. · Dec 20 at 4:59pm

Perry's first rule of good governance is "don't spend all the money." It's about cutting for him. That whole taking a wrecking ball to Washington thing. Now if he just knew which three agencies to cut first... · Dec 20 at 5:05pm

He says that he would aim to balance the budget by 2020. In other words, Perry promises to raise the debt ceiling in his first term, and in his second term, but Perry's lucky successor will be able to make this sort of campaign promise in good faith. It was a really cheap shot at Newt (and I say this as someone who would much rather see a President Perry than a President Newt in large part because I think that Perry would be much better on cutting spending).


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