James Lileks · March 6, 2012 at 9:09pm

We’ve been told that gender is mutable, a matter of social constructs, but who knew that one of the criteria by which one can select one’s identification is . . . happy hour drink prices? In St. Petersburg a transgendered person was denied a drink special on Ladies Night, and you know how the rest of it played out:

A St. Petersburg bar landed in hot water recently after a transgender woman was told she could not receive discounted drinks on “ladies night.”

The bar, Bishop Tavern & Lounge, was quick to apologize on its Facebook page after a protest group formed on the same social networking site.

But wait. Here’s the wrinkle: the person denied a discounted drink had switched from female to male. 

Though Borrego was initially offered discounted beverages as part of the bar’s promotion, a bouncer came over and told them they were cut off from the deals “because [they're] dudes.”

Her driver’s license lists her as a female, but showing her ID did not help her cause. Eventually, the group left.

“Legally, I’m a woman,” she told the Times. “And to deny me to participate in ladies night — that’s very disrespectful.”

The rules of engagement for bartenders are becoming as tortured as the ones for soldiers in a theater of war. 

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CandE
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CandE

Persons with only X Chromosomes' Night Out just doesn't have the same ring to it.

-E

John Walker
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John Walker

The whole pronoun thing will self-correct with the emergence of artificial intelligence and cyborgs.  Originally, it was “he”, then “s/he”, and ultimately “s/he/it”.  As I wrote in 1985 as a footnote to this document:

Note to philologists. This is an artefact of the Marin County airhead version of an oddity of the late Twentieth Century called “non-sexist writing” which attempted to linguistically divorce women from the family of mankind. With the appearance of artificial intelligence, this trend led to the construction “s/he/it”, which rapidly passed from the vogue taking the whole movement with it. The term is still heard in Texas but has a different meaning and is probably unrelated in derivation.

I'm hoping this skates on the thick ice edge of the CoC.

HVTs
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HVTs

Bluenoser: Since the goal of Ladies Night promotions is to sell more beer to men...

Easy solution:

Get rid of Ladies Night, replace it with Attractive Ladies Night. 

Umm, ...

Back in the day, what sold all the beer on Ladies Night was its role in the alchemy which transformed the guests into ones more suited for Attractive Ladies Night.  BTW - the drinks were free to the guests for the same alchemic purpose.  Call it win-win.  As market oriented conservatives, note which side had to be induced with the greater financial incentive.  Call that market discipline (aka being realistic).

Aodhan
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Aodhan

Evidently, Obama is a post-gender as well as post-racial president.

I miss Lady Kurobara. How is she doing?

Aaron Miller: Hilarious. And sad.

Lady Kurobara recently directed my attention to this article about Obama's transgendered former-nanny. As I told Lady K, it's remarkable how a single pronoun tells you everything you need to know about a writer's bias.

I have a simple rule as regards transexuals. I speak to/of people according to what they are, not what they want to be. Truth matters. · 2 hours ago

Franco
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Franco

Aodhan: Evidently, Obama is a post-gender as well as post-racial president.

I miss Lady Kurobara. How is she doing?

Aaron Miller: Hilarious. And sad.

Lady Kurobara recently directed my attention to this article about Obama's transgendered former-nanny. As I told Lady K, it's remarkable how a single pronoun tells you everything you need to know about a writer's bias.

I have a simple rule as regards transexuals. I speak to/of people according to what they are, not what they want to be. Truth matters. · 2 hours ago

56 minutes ago

I'd like to know too. Why isn't she here? 

Dave Carter

I find it difficult to believe that the architects of Obamacare, who carefully crafted thousands of pages of proactive wisdom which included the subjugation of the Church, didn't anticipate this issue.  

flownover
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flownover

EJ rules.

it doesn't take bullets to fight this stupid war, it only requires lawyers.

now if they had an ounce of collective humility, then it might be different

but they don't usually reflect the upright citizens, why bother ?

when they better call saul , they're already peering up, out of the sewer

Edited on March 7, 2012 at 2:41am
Kelly B
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Kelly B

Boulder, Colorado outlawed "Ladies' Night" eons ago, and the bars came up with a very simple alternative that would have deflated this, er, person's sense of aggrieved victimhood quite quickly - "Skirt Night.". Wear one to the bar, and you get a discount, regardless of what you had under it. Creativity wins.


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Haakon Dahl

More from that school of bureaucracy which insists that there is nothing political in accepting a whole raft of leftist nonsense in lieu of the very good evidence arranged for our ready inspection by nature or nature's God.  I blogged about Chaz Bono, and Largo, FL City Manager Steve (now Susan) Stanton.  

People become convinced of many things which are not true, but this does not obligate doctors to perform surgery in honor of such madness.

Hundreds or thousands of years from now, people will look back in shock and bewilderment.  They will not believe that they are descended from us.

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

Franco

Aodhan:

I miss Lady Kurobara. How is she doing?

I'd like to know too. Why isn't she here? 

Ferocious as ever and unrestrained by the Ricochet Code of Conduct. So, good.

Franco
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Franco

Aaron Miller

Franco

Aodhan:

I miss Lady Kurobara. How is she doing?

I'd like to know too. Why isn't she here? 

Ferocious as ever and unrestrained by the Ricochet Code of Conduct. So, good. 

The richochet code of conduct is lame. Can I say that?  Words are words. I can understand redacting gratuitous obscenities, but in today's culture, you have to be able to use words. Words are words and they gain power and significance when they are treated as taboo. They lose the ability to shock and repulse when they are treated for what they are; words.

It is my belief that conservatives, prudently trying to set examples in a world brimming over with crude expressions, hobble themselves badly.  We must be able to use and endure the same language of the left in order to fight them adequately. All our effective fighters, starting with Andrew Brietbart are able to conduct commerce in this language. Conservatives don't understand how the left use these code-words expecting, rightly,  that they will repel their opponents so they won't engage and fight.

Edited on March 7, 2012 at 1:24pm
Fred Cole
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Fred Cole

I have two replies:

1. Of course the solution would be to ban ladies nights, because they promote discrimination.  

2. A lot of comments in this thread are just plain impolite.  I thought conservatives stood for civility.  Would you say such things in front of transgendered friends?

Edited on March 7, 2012 at 4:36pm

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Felix

Depends on how many drinks I've had.


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