Muslim Cant
Heather Higgins ·
Apr 3, 2011 at 6:32pm
Here's my new test: if a Muslim organization or Islamic leader hasn't condemned the killings at Mazar-e-Sharif and across Afghanistan since, arising as a (putatively proportional) response to one Florida preacher burning a Koran, then they have no credibility, and any expressions they may utter of moderation are utter cant.
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Oct '10
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Agreed.
Jun '10
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I already hear the silence.
Jun '10
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It kind of tells us infidels where we rank--below a mass-produced book.
Oct '10
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Disgust.
Oct '10
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Here's my test: Burn a few bibles in public and see how they react.
May '10
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We are rapidly approaching the point where we are going to have to have mass public meetings where everyone in attendance will tear a page from a Koran, draw a picture of the prophet Mohammed on it, then burn it. Either that or turn down the road to dhimmitude and a world where our granddaughters are forced into burqas.
"Who is John Galt?" is being updated to "Who Is Molly Norris?"
Edited on Apr 3, 2011 at 7:41pmJul '10
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The political utterances of Muslims remind me of what Mary McCarthy once said about one of Lilian Hellman's books - that every word was a lie, including "it", "and" and "but".
Aug '10
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Exactly! Well said, Heather. The mindless rage and hysteria of these people is despicable and pathetic. We need to call them out at every turn.
Let's get Donald Trump to announce that we should burn a Koran every time they burn a Bible, and close down a mosque every time they close a church or synagogue. Tit for tat, an eye for an eye. This they will understand.
Nov '10
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FYI, GB, I understand that the U.S. Army did just that in Afghanistan when it was discovered that a few soldiers had brought along a few extra copies in case there were opportunities to hand them out. As far as I know no christian soldiers turned traitor and executed suicide bombings against their fellow Americans in retaliation.
U.S. military personnel arriving in Saudi Arabia, I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) are permitted a personal bible but NO more than that. They are explicitly handled by the Saudis as imported pornographic materials. The Saudis, however, have set up a welcome booth in a hallway that all incoming personnel must file past, which includes prominent display of Islamic Da'wa (proselytizing materials). Last I heard there was a total of 1 American soldier converted to Islam as a result.
Oct '10
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That was a bit reactionary, wasn't it? It's not like all Muslims are the same. By all means, I freely admit that most well-publicized Muslim politicos are liars. That doesn't mean there aren't moderate Muslims (in the Netherlands, I once saw a grandmother wearing a full burka, a mother wearing a headscarf, and a teenage daughter wearing the same clothes other teenagers were).
You wouldn't say all blacks are like Jesse Jackson or other corrupt black politicians. And obviously, not all women are like feminists, nor are all gay people are like Barney Frank. Yet, these politicians are all very loud, and have clear incentives to portray themselves as "defining" their differing "identity" groups.
The gay analogy especially fits; most gay people are relatively normal, yet the loud, expressive gay left actually believes it represents the majority of gay people, and that gay stereotypes are mostly true (which couldn't be further from the truth).
Edited on Apr 3, 2011 at 9:49pmRe: Muslim Cant
Right, Heather - and that should be our test for American lawmakers too!
Oct '10
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There is no win in this sad state of affairs... This is a culture and mindset that thrives on hate and destruction of anything it does not identify with or control. Mental flexability is beyond grasp for dedicated believers of that faith.
As well as having no respect for any variations outside of their limited view.
Now this is blunt, if they kill Christians and burn a church, behead or perform Honor Killings, go ahead and burn a few Korans in protest...
My apologies, this PC thing seems to have become a one way street here... Since when is exposing brutal acts racist ???
Oct '10
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wilber forge: There is no win in this sad state of affairs... This is a culture and mindset that thrives on hate and destruction of anything it does not identify with or control. Mental flexability is beyond grasp for dedicated believers of that faith.
As well as having no respect for any variations outside of their limited view.
Now this is blunt, if they kill Christians and burn a church, behead or perform Honor Killings, go ahead and burn a few Korans in protest...
My apologies, this PC thing seems to have become a one way street here... Since when is exposing brutal acts racist ??? · Apr 3 at 10:06pm
Which culture is this? Arab Muslims, Turkish Muslims, Asian Muslims, African Muslims? Sufi, Sunni, or Shi'ite? Reformers or fundamentalists?
The Islamists are hateful and evil; but that extra -ist is important. Islamism is a political ideology, an abuse of religion. It's important to separate it from Islam itself. Islamism is the real threat, much as fascism was in Nazi Germany. You can differentiate between Islamists and, say, Sufis, in much the same way you can differentiate between Nazis and Christians.
Oct '10
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One common argument I hear a lot is "moderate Muslims may exist, but they do not faithfully practice 'the religion' ".
I find this odd, since there is no single Christian interpretation of the Bible. In fact, Mormons went off and did their own thing, and from what I read, Sufis have similarly branched off from mainstream Islam (such as it exists). Religious schisms happen all the time, no matter how clearly a holy book is written.
Edited on Apr 3, 2011 at 10:22pmOct '10
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RE, J. Eagar, In large part Islam promotes seperatism, whether it be the attachment of exteemisim or otherwise. Regardless of the particular bend of the faith it remains a sociopolitical force for dominance. To shake out a little history of religous activity in the US, Catholics and Prodestants used to kill each other on a regular basis... A lot of that was based on country of origin.
Somehow they managed to sort it out. Adaptation and accomidation was key. And access to money.
One of the basic truths about human behaviour is the Them and Us Condition. Seems there always needs to be other tribe to hate and destroy or minimize.
Which provides a measure of accomplishment and superiority.
Just the nature of the beast we call human existence and survival..
So what participants in this current conflict affect the future and to what end...
Oct '10
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wilber forge, but look at what you said: "in large part."
There is no monolithic Islam (except in the minds of Islamists). Let us state our enemy clearly: Islamism, not every last follower of Islam itself. Politics is not religion; when the Turks committed the Armenian genocide, the perpetrator was asked how he could justify it given Turkish Islamic values, to which he replied "Politics knows no religion."
Oct '10
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There is a global PR campaign by the Islamists: They want their view of a politicized Islam held as defining all of Islam itself. They want to become the Catholic Church, as when it wielded significant political and geographic power. They are not, however, "Islam."
Their usage of anti-Western and anti-Israeli rhetoric belies their weakness. That they must resort to such tactics should tell us that they do not rule the minds of every Muslim in the world. We must take a stand against their political oppression, especially in our own Muslim communities, but we must make it clear that we are not objecting to a religion, we are objecting to the political abuse of one.
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Joseph Eagar: There is a global PR campaign by the Islamists: They want their view of a politicized Islam held as defining all of Islam itself. They want to become the Catholic Church, as when it wielded significant political and geographic power. They are not, however, "Islam."
Their usage of anti-Western and anti-Israeli rhetoric belies their weakness. That they must resort to such tactics should tell us that they do not rule the minds of every Muslim in the world. We must take a stand against their political oppression, especially in our own Muslim communities, but we must make it clear that we are not objecting to a religion, we are objecting to the political abuse of one. · Apr 3 at 11:56pm
I could not agree with you more.
Jul '10
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That is all well and good, but traditional Islam does not make the distinction and the Caliphate is only 90 years gone. If you are looking for those tolerant secularists in Egypt, good luck. Almost 90% of Egyptians are Muslims, 85% of the general population support the execution of apostates. Thank you Pew Research. That is the most populous nation in the Arab world, considered a modern center of culture and learning. The number in Turkey, on the fast track to join the EU forever, the number was 49% and trending up over the last decade as people begin to realize that the military is not going to save the Kemalists this time. Pakistan, our firm ally, 78% of Muslims. And all of the major branches of Sunni and Shiite Islam strongly support execution for apostates. What other major religion requires a death sentence to prevent people from leaving the faith?
More issues? In America, 22% polled view Muslims unfavorably. In Turkey, 63% view Christians unfavorably, in Pakistan 58%. Amusingly, Turkey, our loyal ally, was a major outlier with 46% of respondents considering Christianity violent, the next closest was Lebanon at 15%.
I am not finding an emerging tolerant demographic.
Aug '10
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R. Craigen
FYI, GB, I understand that the U.S. Army did just that in Afghanistan when it was discovered that a few soldiers had brought along a few extra copies in case there were opportunities to hand them out. As far as I know no christian soldiers turned traitor and executed suicide bombings against their fellow Americans in retaliation.
Here is the full story. A church in the US sent the bibles to a member in Afghanistan. They were printed in Pashto and Dari.
The bibles were confiscated and burned by the Army - the entire incident went unnoticed for a year until Al-Gee-Whiz produced a story about prayer services and suggested US troops were there to proselytize.
My takeaway: "Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan"
Yep, rather than send them back, they were burned.