Warning: Very long post ahead.

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As in Peter’s case, Fr. Miscamble’s (intriguing) posts have prompted some reflection on Truman’s decision here. For most of my life, I was of the opinion that Truman absolutely did the right and moral thing, for the reasons that Fr. Miscamble has explained and several Ricochet readers have argued. In the end, the dropping of the bombs surely saved many more lives—those of American and Japanese soldiers, but also of Japanese civilians—than they claimed. In the past few years, influenced by my theology-student brother and some reading on the bombings, I’ve walked back from that position, and am now in a “still puzzling through it” mode.

One conclusion I have reached, though, is that it seems wrong to lump the a-bombs in with the conventional bombing raids of German and Japanese cities that took place earlier in the war—even though the cumulative effects of those bombings may have, over time, killed more people. These weapons are apples and oranges. Little Boy and Fat Man could not be limited to specific targets; they could not be intended only for, say, dams in the Ruhr industrial region or a particular Mitsubishi aircraft factory. To use them at all was to knowingly obliterate an entire city, and thus to intentionally target innocents—something of a different nature than regrettably accepting the possibility of “collateral damage” that might or might not materialize when attacking a non-civilian target.

Moreover, the sheer amount of destruction, human misery, and, yes, death unleashed by those weapons was qualitatively different from the effects of the conventional weapons used throughout the war. Regular bombing raids didn’t vaporize scores of thousands of men, women, and children in less than an instant; they didn’t produce the same kinds of agonizing injuries and deaths, for which “horrifying” is an understatement. They didn’t unleash radiation that shot through the cells of people who otherwise appeared to have escaped the bombings unharmed, only to begin days later vomiting up the lining of their internal organs, bleeding through every orifice until they were corpses with no blood left. They didn’t contaminate toddlers who would die of cancer before reaching their teen years. I think it is impossible for us to wrap our minds around the terror that must have been experienced by people who in one instant were preparing breakfast in their kitchens and in the next climbed out from beneath the rubble into a layer of hell Dante never explored. The sheer scope of what these weapons vaporized, flattened, burned, and irradiated—and the shock that such devastation would have delivered to every human sense and feeling—defies, I think, imagination.

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For personal reasons, I have found that the evil in what happened on August 6 and 9, 1945, is clearest when juxtaposed against innocence and holiness: episodes where the bombs collided with the Catholic Church. To that end, I would recommend to anyone interested in the topic of the bombs—Catholic or not—John Hersey’s Hiroshima. Originally published in The New Yorker—the magazine devoted its entire August 31, 1946, issue to the essay—it tells the story of the bombing through the eyes of six survivors. One was a German Catholic priest, living in a Jesuit community not far from the hypocenter. The compound was destroyed; some of the priests were badly injured; they escaped the fires closing in on them and struck out in search of help from a nearby Novitiate. A passage from Hersey:

The morning, again, was hot. Father Kleinsorge went to fetch water for the wounded in a bottle and a teapot he had borrowed. He had heard that it was possible to get fresh tap water outside Asano Park. Going through the rock gardens, he had to climb over and crawl under the trunks of fallen pine trees; he found he was weak. There were many dead in the gardens. At a beautiful moon bridge, he passed a naked, living woman who seemed to have been burned from head to toe and was red all over. Near the entrance of the park, an Army doctor was working, but the only medicine he had was iodine, which he painted over cuts, bruises, slimy burns, everything—and by now everything that he painted had pus on it. Outside the gate of the park, Father Kleinsorge found a faucet that still worked—part of the plumbing of a vanished house—and he filled his vessels and returned. When he had given the wounded the water, he made a second trip. This time, the woman by the bridge was dead. On his way back with the water, he got lost on a detour around a fallen tree, and as he looked for his way through the woods, he heard a voice ask from the underbrush, “Have you anything to drink?” He saw a uniform. Thinking there was just one soldier, he approached with the water. When he had penetrated the bushes, he saw there were about twenty men, and they were all in exactly the same nightmarish state: their faces were wholly burned, their eyesockets were hollow, and the fluid from their melted eyes had run down their cheeks. (They must have had their faces upturned when the bomb went off; perhaps they were anti-aircraft personnel.) Their mouths were mere swollen, pus-covered wounds, which they could not bear to stretch enough to admit the spout of the teapot. So Father Kleinsorge got a large piece of grass and drew out the stem so as to make a straw, and gave them all water to drink that way. One of them said, “I can’t see anything.” Father Kleinsorge answered, as cheerfully as he could, “There’s a doctor at the entrance to the park. He’s busy now, but he’ll come and fix your eyes, I hope.”

Since that day, Father Kleinsorge has thought back to how queasy he had once been at the sight of pain, how someone else’s cut finger used to make him turn faint. Yet there in the park he was so benumbed that immediately after leaving this horrible sight he stopped on a path by one of the pools and discussed with a lightly wounded man whether it would be safe to eat the fat, two-foot carp that floated dead on the surface of the water. They decided, after some consideration, that it would be unwise.

Father Kleinsorge filled the containers a third time and went back to the riverbank. There, amid the dead and dying, he saw a young woman with a needle and thread mending her kimono, which had been slightly torn. Father Kleinsorge joshed her. “My, but you’re a dandy!” he said. She laughed.

He felt tired and lay down. He began to talk with two engaging children whose acquaintance he had made the afternoon before. He learned that their name was Kataoka; the girl was thirteen, the boy five. The girl had been just about to set out for a barbershop when the bomb fell. As the family started for Asano Park, their mother decided to turn back for some food and extra clothing; they became separated from her in the crowd of fleeing people, and they had not seen her since. Occasionally they stopped suddenly in their perfectly cheerful playing and began crying for their mother.

It was difficult for all the children in the park to sustain the sense of tragedy. Toshio Nakamura got quite excited when he saw his friend Seichi Sato riding up the river in a boat with his family, and he ran to the bank and waved and shouted, “Sato! Sato!”

The boy turned his head and shouted, “Who’s that?”

“Nakamura.”

“Hello, Toshio!”

“Are you all safe?”

“Yes. What about you?”

“Yes, we are all right. My sisters are vomiting, but I’m fine.”

Father Kleinsorge began to be thirsty in the dreadful heat, and he did not feel strong enough to go for water again. A little before noon, he saw a Japanese woman handing something out. Soon she came to him and said in a kindly voice, “These are tea leaves. Chew them, young man, and you won’t feel thirsty.” The woman’s gentleness made Father Kleinsorge suddenly want to cry. For weeks, he had been feeling oppressed by the hatred of foreigners that the Japanese seemed increasingly to show, and he had been uneasy even with his Japanese friends. This stranger’s gesture made him a little hysterical.

Around noon, the priests arrived from the Novitiate with the handcart [to transport priests too severely wounded to walk]. They had been to the site of the mission house in the city and had retrieved some suitcases that had been stored in the air-raid shelter and had also picked up the remains of melted holy vessels in the ashes of the chapel.

In Nagasaki, the juxtaposition is more poignant. The Nagasaki area, readers may know, is where Christianity came to Japan in the 1500s. For a time, foreign missionaries were allowed to evangelize, though the Tokugawa shogunate eventually began persecuting Catholics. In 1597, 26 were crucified in Nagasaki (the martyrs were canonized in 1862). In the years that followed, the shogunate implemented fumi-e—the term refers to both the policy and the object around which it centered—requiring Japanese to trample images of Christ or the Virgin Mary. Those who hesitated were identified as Christians; if they refused to turn from their faith, they were executed in Nagasaki. After Japan reopened itself to foreigners in the 19th century, Bernard Petitjean, a French priest who eventually became bishop of Nagasaki, oversaw construction of the Oura Catholic Church in the city; after its foundation was laid, he was approached by Japanese Christians who revealed that, without priests or chapels, they and their forebears had managed in secret to keep their faith alive for more than 200 years.

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It is against this backdrop that one must consider the history of the Urakami Cathedral. Completed in 1914 after 30 years of construction, the cathedral was the largest in the Far East; it was also the centerpiece of Urakami’s Catholic district, the heart of Catholicism in Nagasaki and Japan.

Around 11 am on August 9, 1945, the cathedral was filled with priests and worshippers in spiritual preparation for the August 15th feast of the Assumption of Mary, to whom the cathedral was dedicated and to whom the Urakami Catholics had a special devotion. By that time, Bock’s Car pilot Charles Sweeney had given up on his primary target, the military factories of Kokura, because they were hidden by smoke from a nearby bombing; Nagasaki, the secondary target, was mostly hidden by cloud cover. A cruel twist of fate and an opening in the clouds meant that Urakami, not downtown Nagasaki, was hit: Urakami Cathedral was practically Ground Zero. All those inside were killed, and thousands of Christians in Urakami were destroyed along with them, surpassing in one instant the toll of Nagasaki Catholics killed in centuries of persecution.

 

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In October 1945, a Trappist monk, Fr. Kaemon Noguchi—originally from Urakami—visited the ruins of the cathedral before returning to his monastery in Hokkaido. He began digging around the debris in search of some artifact from his church that he could bring with him. He came across a remnant of a beloved painted wood statue of the Virgin that had been brought from Italy in the 1930s; all that had survived the bombing was her head.

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The “Madonna of Nagasaki” is now on display in the rebuilt Urakami Cathedral, erected on the site of the destroyed church. When it was brought to New York last year, Archbishop Dolan said:

And it is this head that is haunting: she is scarred, singed badly, and her crystal eyes were melted by the hellish blast. So, all that remains are two empty, blackened sockets.

I’ve knelt before many images of the Mother of Jesus before: our Mother of Perpetual Help, the Pieta, the Virgin of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, just to name a few.

But I’ve never experienced the dread and revulsion I did when the archbishop showed us the head of Our Lady of Nagasaki … 

Again, it was not possible to drop Fat Man and Little Boy without intentionally incurring these results. I ask myself, If I were president of the United States, could I knowingly incinerate the faithful at Mass or priests hearing confessions? Could I vaporize or melt down chapels and chalices and tabernacles and icons? And knowing that such acts would be multiplied and multiplied again, killing thousands upon thousands of innocents, could I intentionally bring about such destruction in a matter of seconds? No matter how much it would benefit my country? I don’t think I could.

But then again, I’m not president—nor would I want to be. If I read Fr. Miscamble’s post correctly, his conclusion is that while the decision to drop the bombs was not moral, it was simply required of Truman by virtue of the office he held. And I think I may be at the same place: that it was immoral of Truman to order the bombing, but that it was the right thing to do—or at least justifiable—as an act of presidential leadership. He has blood on his hands, but the job he held sometimes requires the immoral staining of one’s hands with blood. (That’s why it’s a job I wouldn’t want.)

For the record, I’m not a pacifist. (Indeed, far from it.) I’m not anti-nuclear; in fact, I think Japan’s move away from nuclear power in the aftermath of Fukushima is economic suicide (but that’s another post). Nor am I anti-American and, again, I’m not convinced that using the a-bombs was the wrong thing for America to do in the context of a hideously brutal war. But I wonder if sometimes those of us who resist the traditional hostility to the use of the bombs don’t go too far in defending the morality of the decision, failing to distinguish what would have been prudent (and justifiable in the name of prudence) from what was morally right.

This applies to the present day as well. Decisions that make perfect sense as a matter of tactics, or grand strategy, or self-defense, or national interest are sometimes whitewashed as moral acts. The result is that, in order to defend, say, a particularly unpalatable act of war, we contort ourselves into all kinds of strange justifications that do a disservice to both our perception of morality and our appreciation of what war—and wartime leadership—really requires.

So I’m curious to know what others think of this divide: between what is demanded by presidential leadership and by other forms of responsibility for a nation’s safety and well-being, and what is strictly moral, especially in times of war. Some, I gather, will think that no responsibility can truly demand immorality. I’m not convinced of that—yet.

Thanks to readers for putting up with the long (and meandering) post, and thanks to Fr. Miscamble for opening and contributing to this discussion. I look forward to reading his book soon, now that it’s no longer $80 on Amazon.

Comments:


Meghan Clyne

Thanks for the recommendation, katievs. I had actually ordered that book from Amazon a few days ago (I'm planning to visit Nagasaki in the fall), along with Takashi Nagai's own memoir, the Bells of Nagasaki. (Semi-related, I understand that the "angelus bell" of the old Urakami Cathedral was one of the few artifacts to survive the bombing and ensuing fire; I think it still rings out from the new cathedral built in its place.) 

So now I'm really looking forward to reading the books; thanks for validating my Amazon habits. 

Meghan Clyne

 Robert Lux and Claire: Good point about the area bombings.  Those, too, were horrible; the most memorable thing I read senior year of history in high school was a series of essays on the Dresden and Hamburg bombings, and about the effects of the firestorms that they provoked. 

My point, though, is that any *one* conventional weapon used to take out a military target was not comparable to the *one* atomic bomb.  That it was possible to use a conventional bomb (even though the Allies in those cases chose not to) without intending for your casualties to be mostly civilian--something simply not possible with the a-bomb.

And though I'm not a historian, from what I've read of accounts of both the Dresden and Hamburg bombings and the bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I do still think that the atomic weapon is simply in its own category of destruction.  Call them kumquats and oranges if you like, but they're still not the same fruit...

Meghan Clyne
Claire Berlinski, Ed. The greatest cause for moral regret about our conduct in the Second World War, however, I would say is this: We could have bombed the train tracks to Auschwitz. We did not.  · Aug 7 at 4:46am

Agree, Claire, that the more grave moral failing in the war was in respect of the Holocaust.  There were several discrete failures to act that, combined, produced the larger failure. But I think the most serious had nothing to do with military action; it would have been an entirely bloodless way of saving untold numbers of lives.  Why didn't we completely open our shores to the Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis in the years leading up to the war and during? 

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Larry Koler

Meghan: Morality, like almost all things, must have a prioritization imposed on it. It is not a dual thing of utility vs. morality. It is that the highest moral position must be selected and acted upon. That prioritization is a moral issue in itself. 

When a person raises his hand and swears to uphold his oath of office that is (unless he is crossing his fingers) the highest moral position upon which he acts -- at least insofar as his duties as president are concerned.

Truman's personal moral situation is enhanced when he carries out his duty. It is further enhanced if he does it in the face of personal reticence. As an individual a president can resign -- that is an option. But, it is not an option morally to decline to do one's duty. Instead, one's duty -- in your example -- is to resign. That is the only moral alternative left to a president in this most difficult of decisions -- the most difficult decision that any president has ever had to make.

Meghan Clyne

James Lileks: ... I'd like to think the United States will be judged not for dropping the first atomic bombs, but for its restraint in doing so again. It says something about a culture when its sharpest sword stays sheathed.

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If someone had the means to prevent these things, and declined to act, does he not have blood on his hands as well?  · Aug 6 at 11:18pm

Good point about the nukes, James, though to play Devil's advocate: Four years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we no longer had a monopoly on the bomb (and relative peace intervened). After that point, there was a counterbalance, and the bombs got progressively worse; the end of WWII, it could be argued, was the only narrow window in which a-bombs could be used without MAD.

And, yes, failure to act can be just as gravely immoral.  It just seems that in war, a president is going to have blood on his hands; the question is how much.  (Have addressed the moral/necessary distinction in other comments.)  It's why I'm grateful not to be president, and very (and humbly) grateful for people who make those decisions for me.

Meghan Clyne

Interesting, Larry--I gather that your argument is that when a man takes the oath of office, his highest moral obligation is to his duties as president, above all other competing moral claims? 

I suspect many will agree with you.  I wonder, though, what this implies for seriously religious candidates (especially given the degree to which religion is used on the campaign trail).  Does a president absolutely need to put Country before God from the time he is inaugurated until the time his successor is?  I wonder if the question were put to all of today's GOP candidates--As president, would you put Country before God?--how they would answer; I also wonder how the public would respond to those answers.

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Meghan, I categorically deny the sophistry behind this popular notion that atomic bombs (or hydrogen bombs) are different than any other weapon -- except in scale. Once one deals with the horrors of the scale then nothing more needs to be said about them. They are weapons of destruction -- mass or otherwise.

I defy you to explain how they can be so defined that they can be revealed as a unique killing tool. I already said I don't accept "scale" to be a categorical issue -- it is just a multiplier.

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Meghan Clyne:  ...

Does a president absolutely need to put Country before God from the time he is inaugurated until the time his successor is?  I wonder if the question were put to all of today's GOP candidates--As president, would you put Country before God?--how they would answer; I also wonder how the public would respond to those answers.

If a president puts personal opinion above country in duties associated with his office -- to which he has freely given his oath -- then he must resign. My point is that God is behind duty when you swear an oath -- at least if one is religious. So, in this example, God cannot conflict with country in principle (otherwise a religious person would not take such an oath). If, in the course of carrying out his duties, a person decides otherwise, then he must first relinquish his position -- to insure that his oath is honored and his moral duty is followed. He has decided that he cannot carry out his job -- that's all we're talking about here.It is easy to understand -- but, it might be searingly difficult to do.

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Meghan, morality is absolute.  If the decision to bomb Japan is right, then it makes no difference who is making the decision.

If Meghan Clyne as a private citizen had somehow found a way to develop and produce a nuclear weapon and  find a way to deploy it, that private citizen has exactly the same moral responsibility to use it as the President of the United States.  The only real difference is that the President has a lot more resources.

Ending the Japanese Empire was a moral act no matter who did it.

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Skyler: Meghan, morality is absolute.  If the decision to bomb Japan is right, then it makes no difference who is making the decision.

What?! 

There is such a thing as moral absolutes.  But whether a given act is moral or not depends very much on the moral context--the who what when where and why.

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I very much agree with this sentiment. And I wonder if our current hope that someone can be moral in an inherently immoral situation (I guess I'm pretty binary, too, King Prawn) is due in part to the new reality we face, that terrorism is the new form of war. Perhaps in this kind of war, a distinction can be made between combatants and civilians, yet even in this case the conundrum arises: can we bomb a home where we know plans are being made to kill innocents when we also know that men are deliberately using women and children as shields? ... Sometimes I think the question god is asking us: so, you think you're tough enough to box with me?

Skyler: I don't know why you feel that dying by radiation is so much worse than being impaled by a bayonet or tortured and raped  or all three. ... The biggest weakness in your argument against the a-bomb is your incorrect assumption that civilians should be spared in warfare.  · Aug 7 at 12:15am
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katievs

Skyler: Meghan, morality is absolute.  If the decision to bomb Japan is right, then it makes no difference who is making the decision.

What?! 

There is such a thing as moral absolutes.  But whether a given act is moral or not depends very much on the moral context--the who what when where and why. · Aug 7 at 10:13am

And he gave a context, didn't he?

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My father served as ground crew for RAF Bomber Command in WW2, so I've never had any sympathy for the leftist idiots who want to condemn the bomber aircrews as "war criminals".

However, it's worth asking whether the Allied bombing campaign was an effective weapon against the enemy.  In his magisterial history Bomber Command, Max Hastings argued that in the European theater it was not.  The Allied bombing campaign was "a catastrophe for Germany" but, he concluded, did not affect the progress of the war nearly as much as the proponents of area bombing claimed it would.  

I don't know enough about the Pacific war to comment on the efficacy of bombing in that part of the war.  But Hiroshima and Nagasaki were exceptional cases in many respects--I believe they shortened the war, but only after we had brought the Japanese to the brink of defeat through the island campaign.

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Well said, Larry, in comments #44 and #48.

The King Prawn:  ....Either seperating a human soul from the corporeal body in which God placed it is immoral or it is not. ....

It is not, without qualification, immoral to kill another person. It is always repugnant; not always evil.

Death is not evil. It is a consequence of evil. Christ's sacrifice and resurrection transformed death into a beautiful transition.

God works through people. Every day, human beings act as willing instruments of God's will, though often not consciously (meaning we do what we believe is right — if it is indeed right, it conforms to God's will).

God takes all persons, both the good and the wicked, from this world eventually.

So why should we believe that God works through us in all ways except this one?

Now, extremely few people ever experience the sort of direct communication with God that convinced Abraham to brutally sacrifice his only son at God's request. We would be wrong to declare a war or execution God's will, because we cannot be sure. But there is no moment in life when God steps back and says, "You're on your own."

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Meghan Clyne: Does a president absolutely need to put Country before God from the time he is inaugurated until the time his successor is?  

Our nation was dedicated to God at its founding.

The Constitution seeks to define us as Americans. Religion seeks to define us as human beings. Obviously, one is a human being (in Christianity, an adopted child of God, created in a likeness of God) before one recognizes oneself as a member of a particular people / culture.

John Adams said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Our nation is flawed, like all nations. But it is worthy of loyalty only so long as it honors our most basic beliefs concerning right and wrong.

A national leader is responsible to honor the beliefs of the citizens he represents. But a leader is more than a mouthpiece. America is a republic (of 300+ million people), not a direct democracy. Presidents must exercise good judgment.

In some respects, national interests are morally equivalent to an individual's self-interest. One is always most responsible for oneself. But selfish interests do not justify cruelty against others.

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The definitive take on all this, from Bill Whittle. (via Instapundit)


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Thought experiment: Suppose the war had been ended, in both Pacific and European theaters, *without* intensive bombing of cities. (And there were definitely military people and civilian military scientists at the time who believed that the vast resources spent on the bombing of Germany could have been better invested, eg in more antisubmarine aircraft and tactical fighter-bombers)

In that scenario, without the mass of civilians being directly exposed to the horrors of war, would Naziism and State Shinto *really* have disappeared...or would they have reappeared, as German militarism did after the armistice of WWI?

John Grant

 Meghan,

If I understand your point, it is very troubling. Since morality (allegedly) cannot be reconciled with necessity, you are willing to cede responsibility to those who will make immoral but necessary decisions so you can keep a clean conscience?

Doesn't this encourage those who wish to act rightly to abandon public affairs altogether?

This is a recipe for the decent to become Eloi.

Meghan Clyne

James Lileks: ... I'd like to think the United States will be judged not for dropping the first atomic bombs, but for its restraint in doing so again. It says something about a culture when its sharpest sword stays sheathed.

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If someone had the means to prevent these things, and declined to act, does he not have blood on his hands as well?  · Aug 6 at 11:18pm

 It just seems that in war, a president is going to have blood on his hands; the question is how much.  (Have addressed the moral/necessary distinction in other comments.)  It's why I'm grateful not to be president, and very (and humbly) grateful for people who make those decisions for me. · Aug 7 at 9:13am

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Wow - I came to this late, but this is a thought-provoking (thought-exploding!) post. Thanks, Meghan.

My take is that some acts are intrinsically moral or immoral, regardless of the circumstances. You can't just say that the best option suddenly becomes "moral" just because it's not as immoral as others. That's the essence of seeing morality merely as relative. But the tragedy of war is that it creates scenarios where all of the choices are "immoral."

We have two ways to consider the situation. Either morality is relative, and the best option becomes "moral," or we agree that the best option isn't necessarily moral, but must be chosen despite its immorality.

Another dimension is the role of certainty; how do we calculate and weigh the options when they're almost all probabilities based on assumptions? Do we shoot the kidnapper now, or take a chance that he'll really let the hostage go? Truman had to calculate the sure deaths of tens of thousands against the possibility of hundreds of thousands. 

In Catholic terms, is it a sin to choose the best option when all options are immoral? No.

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John Grant:  Meghan,

[...] you are willing to cede responsibility to those who will make immoral but necessary decisions so you can keep a clean conscience?

Aug 7 at 11:43am

Agree.

Losing our heads rather than the enemy theirs is the Achilles’ heel of the contributor’s suggested moral conclusion. Thrusting the anathema of immorality upon our enemy left with life for the purpose of preserving ourselves from its stain at the cost of our own death is a course refuted not by calculations of utility but from the refusal to take seriously whimsical inanity.

Who is transgressing whose concept of morality when immorality is asserted axiomatically, defined with one word only—atomic arms are immoral because they “are”—without heed to the predicament of a moral standard predicated upon a preferred tautology? Truman’s atomic arms are one thing all other arms are not? Kumquats!


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