Rob Long · September 18, 2012 at 10:25pm

A good sign, from Politico:

Mitt Romney refused to back down Tuesday afternoon over comments he made that "47 percent" of people in America "are dependent upon government" and "believe that they are victims."

"There are a number of retirees, members of the military and so forth who aren't paying taxes, and that's as it should be," the GOP presidential nominee told Fox News's Neil Cavuto. "But I do believe we should have enough jobs and take-home pay such that people have the privilege of higher incomes that allow them to be paying taxes. I think people would like to be paying taxes. The good news is if you're doing well enough financially that you can pay a tax. And the problem right now is you see in this country so many people have fallen into poverty that they're not paying taxes they have to rely on government and the right course to help them is not just to have government handing out but instead government helping people to get back to good jobs."

I even like that he's using "so forth" a lot.  Reagan did that, too.

(Okay, okay, I'm reaching.  But still....)

Comments:


Astonishing
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Astonishing

The problem is not that 47% are moochers. The problem is that about 75% of us are moochers. The problem is not the ones who know they're moochers. The problem is the ones who don't realize they're moochers. How else does the nation accumulate a $15 trillion debt? Forgive me for pointing it out, but the problem is not some welfare mom getting a few hundred bucks worth of public assistance. The problem is your momma or your grandmomma's social security and Medicare. Or your SS or Medicare. The problem is not THEM. The problem is You! That is the fact that must be faced. That is the fact very few of you have the guts to face. You might as well vote for Obama because he's the one more likely to allow you to continue to kid yourselves that you aren't one of the moochers. We are a nation of moochers.

Edward Smith
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Edward Smith

"I would like to be in the position to be able to pay taxes." is probably more like what people mean.  Do you know how poor you have to be to get Earned Income Credit?

DrewInWisconsin: Heh, I like this:

"I think people would like to be paying taxes."

I'm not sure how the left will try to spin that one. That's usually the sort of thing theysay. · 5 hours ago

Edward Smith
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Edward Smith

Let's face it, Mitt Romney's middle name is Awkward.  Not Awkward as in farts on the elevator or tells offensive ethnic jokes, but as in not always so good at expressing himself.

There's a lot of people want smooth.  They got smooth.  They got this guy:

smooth b
rosegarden sj dad: Romney's point, of course, is well taken but, boy, he phrased it awkwardly. The good news about the liberal press jumping up and down on this issue is that it gives him a time to get it right. I am surprised the libs are all over this because the Core Conversation Topic doesn't redound to their advantage.  I bet they back off quickly. · 4 hours ago
flownover
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flownover

Smooth B rings it----

Jonathan Matthew Gilbert
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Jonathan Matthew Gilbert

GQ, of all places, has an interesting take on things. It seems to scare them and it feels a little too much like wishful thinking for me to quite embrace it yet, but...stranger things have happened: 

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/blogs/death-race/2012/09/how-mitt-wins.html

R. Craigen
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R. Craigen

He'd better not.

The tactic by the Palace Guard Media is pathetically obvious, it has become a mantra for them:  The moment Romney has a winning line -- such as that Obama is appealing to the entitlement/dependency European mentality while he is appealing to the independent and industrious American spirit -- they look for a weak line in that part of his message and hammer him relentlessly to back down on it.

Of course, once he backs down ... then the subject is forever off limits, because whenever he raises it, out comes his "signed confession of guilt" and he is shamed again for his terrible crime of articulating an important fact in less than ideal terms.  In point of fact, the only thing worth criticizing in what he said is the 47% figure, and I've seen a number of analyses that support it.  The rest is just a mumbled rendition of a very strong message, pitched to financial supporters as a discussion of where the chances for a win will lie.    

You note they don't pick on his better articulations of the same message.  This is how you know who the Palace Guards are.

R. Craigen
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R. Craigen

I'm for a new slogan:  "vote for the boring guy who mumbles but knows how to fix things, not the slap-happy used car salesman who's been breaking the furniture."

Gleeful Warrior
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Gleeful Warrior

Could someone please give William Kristol a winning lotto ticket or something so he'll just go buy an island and retire?  If you've read his most recent "thoughts" entitled "A Note on Romney's Arrogant and Stupid Remarks," you might be forgiven for thinking, at least initially, that he was being ironic...that he was going to defend Romney...or at least point out that there was considerable truth in what Mitt said.  You, however, would have been disappointed (though not surprised, I suspect) to find that good old Bill was engaged in the time honored, traditional Republican pastime of taking careful aim  at one's own big toe and pulling the proverbial trigger (normally followed by rancorous commentary in the excruciating aftermath on how the toe was looking at him funny).  I expect this crap from David Brooks (not that he's a Republican).  When it comes to beating a dead horse, with friends like Kristol who needs Democrats?


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RobininIthaca
Gleeful Warrior: Could someone please give William Kristol a winning lotto ticket or something so he'll just go buy an island and retire?  ... I expect this crap from David Brooks (not that he's a Republican).  When it comes to beating a dead horse, with friends like Kristol who needs Democrats? · 7 hours ago

Thank you for saying that!  Good grief, I find it downright tiresome to hear conservative pundits eating their own. 

What I've seen is this - according to the MSM, Romney doesn't exist unless they find a gaffe-worthy moment to harp on, then he is all over the news.  I would like to find some site with a decent audience that is compiling local news stories of Romney and Ryan on the campaign trail EVERY DAY.  I do not want to read the usual pundits POV on the state of the race.  Does anyone know of one?  Then it gets linked to by all of us in the alternative media every day, undermining the "narrative."

ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer

R. Craigen: He'd better not.

The tactic by the Palace Guard Media is pathetically obvious, it has become a mantra for them:  The moment Romney has a winning line -- such as that Obama is appealing to the entitlement/dependency European mentality while he is appealing to the independent and industrious American spirit -- they look for a weak line in that part of his message and hammer him relentlessly to back down on it. · 8 hours ago

That's actually how you find out what messages the leftymedia thinks will work -- or are working -- with the electorate.

Or, as some Navy pilots I knew as a younger man would say, "when you're taking flak, you know you're over the target."


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