May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
According to a Politico story, the debate scheduled for this May has been moved to September because, well, nobody appears interested in debating:
Organizers worried that the May 2 debate, which was announced shortly after the midterm elections last November, would not attract candidates who will eventually get into the race but are delaying announcements for legal and political reasons. Only one top-tier candidate, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, has officially created an exploratory committee.
The May 2007 debate at the same venue didn't have this problem:
POLITICO and MSNBC co-hosted a debate at the Reagan library on May 3, 2007. That debate drew all 10 major contenders, including Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, John McCain and Rudy Giuliani.
Why the timidity? What are potential candidates waiting for?
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May '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
As soon as a viable Republican candidate announces his candidacy, the media will focus all their energies on destroying him. Nobody wants to be the first. That's my guess.
Jun '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson has announced. Though he may be a good man, the announcement doesn't appear to have captured the attention of the media at large. I think it's been filed along with Geraldine Ferraro's passing that also was largely ignored. Even the folks at Fox haven't paid much attention to Mr. Johnson.
Mar '11
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Could be, except McCain got generally good reviews from the MSM, until he locked up the nomination.
Oct '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
What Aaron Miller said. Many of the credible candidates will file at the last minute if they plan to run--Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie.
Dec '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Gus Marvinson:
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Why the timidity? What are potential candidates waiting for? ·
A couple of reasons. First, what Aaron said. When an actual candidate exists, the media will begin to gnaw.
Second, though, are the sponsors. Politico? MSNBC? Why would any self-respecting conservative allow those two left leaning organizations to ask the first questions of Republican candidates?
Edited on Mar 30, 2011 at 9:26amAny Republican who agrees to that venue for the first debate will draw fire from the right as well as the expected fire from Politico and MSNBC. Personally, I would prefer that Republicans shut out both of those agencies, and stick to the three mainstream networks and Fox.
Oct '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Why has the Reagan library accepted Politico and MSNBC--two of the most left wing outfits in media today? Next they might have a Media Matters-New York Times sponsor a debate there. Idiots. This election will be a war on all fronts. People on our side need to treat it as such.
Jun '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Gus Marvinson
Could be, except McCain got generally good reviews from the MSM, until he locked up the nomination.
McCain was always the MSM's favorite Republican candidate. That didn't change after the nomination. What changed is that once the MSM got what they wanted, they could then go onto to destroying his chances in the general election and push through their guy.
McCain is so politically naive that he probably still doesn't understand this. He never understood that the "maverick" appellation was followed by a sticky sign they put on his back that said "sucker".
Jun '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Hugh Hewitt should get some credit on this change of date. From the first day announcing the May date he railed against it with every Republican he talked to.
He said a lot of what has been said above along with pointing out that the MSM would love a change of topic -- and that we shouldn't allow it if at all possible.
Hugh is the greatest.
May '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
These presidential "debates" are the lousiest debates I've ever seen. A real debate is an exchange of questions and arguments between the participants. These, on the other hand, are little more than glorified press conferences for cretins looking for more political authority than they already have and are qualified to possess.
Watch the dispatch box scuffles in English Parliament if you want to watch a governmental debate.
Edited on Mar 30, 2011 at 11:23amJul '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Why do we call these spectacles debates? Candidates foolishly submit to lame and ill-intentioned questioning by journalists who are seeking a gotcha moment of glory.
That's not a debate. It's the rhetorical equivalent of dodgeball.
Jul '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Michael, it's pretty scary when you and I come this close together...
Oct '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
I agree that they should wait till September and pick different moderators.
I would also like to take this opportunity to prematurely (but hopefully accurately) predict that the Repubs will nominate Herman Cain for Pres. For VP I've no clue. Remember, you heard it here first! Of course if I'm wrong, forget I said it.
Edited on Mar 30, 2011 at 12:02pmJul '10
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TeamAmerica:
I would also like to take this opportunity to prematurely (but hopefully accurately) predict that the Repubs will nominate Herman Cain for Pres.
Edited on Mar 30 at 12:02 pm
There's a certain logic to that. If you're going to toss out the historic First Black President, it might be best to replace him with the historic Second Black President.
Years ago, when the first black coach in the NFL was hired, another seasoned coach remarked that the appointment of a first black coach wasn't as significant in terms of equality as the first firing of a black coach would be.
May '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Michael Labeit: These presidential "debates" are the lousiest debates I've ever seen. A real debate is an exchange of questions and arguments between the participants. These, on the other hand, are little more than glorified press conferences for cretins looking for more political authority than they already have and are qualified to possess.
Watch the dispatch box scuffles in English Parliament if you want to watch a governmental debate. · Mar 30 at 11:16am
Edited on Mar 30 at 11:23 a
Kenneth: Why do we call these spectacles debates? Candidates foolishly submit to lame and ill-intentioned questioning by journalists who are seeking a gotcha moment of glory.
That's not a debate. It's the rhetorical equivalent of dodgeball.
Even worse are the silly 'town hall' debates, where the journalists pull 'concerned citizens' from the crowd to ask lame questions that the journalists have prepped for the said individuals in advance. They then expect us to think that this approach has somehow 'democratized' the event.
Well, at least they haven't jumped the shark by going digital and using weird you tube recordings for the questions....oh wait...
Edited on Mar 30, 2011 at 1:47pmAug '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
The candidates fall into 3 categories:
Pawlenty doesn't fit any of these categories because he is relatively unknown but has a legitimate shot unlike the guys in #3. He knows he needs to get out there and start building some name recognition if he's to make a serious run at the nomination.
It's almost like one of those mile races where everyone stays in the pack the first couple of laps until someone busts out and the other serious contenders start chasing them.
Edited on Mar 30, 2011 at 3:09pmSep '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Ken Sweeney
Why has the Reagan library accepted Politico and MSNBC--two of the most left wing outfits in media today? Next they might have a Media Matters-New York Times sponsor a debate there. Idiots. This election will be a war on all fronts. People on our side need to treat it as such. · Mar 30 at 9:26am
A smart candidate would decline the invite based on the political nature of the journ-o-lists. Who is running the Reagan Library? Ron Jr.?
Jul '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Like Larry Koler, I credit Hugh Hewitt with stopping this ill-advised debate and think it shows a glimmering of possibility that the Stupid Party is capable of learning from repeated kicks in the pants and teeth from the MSM. I don't think Republicans should have anything to do with NBC, particularly the rabid liberal predators from its virtually unwatched sideshow MSNBC. As for Politico, it veered left sharply in the last couple of years as Obama fulfilled its every need for a multicultural multilateralist in the White House. Obama is continuing to sink in the polls. Republicans should continue to let this natural process work itself out as long as possible. The MSM will wring its hands in despair and wait, frothing, for the moment it can resume bashing the Republican nominee and the clingers in flyover land.
Oct '10
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Kenneth-
Herman Cain has made the point that his nomination would take race, which the press would otherwise use to explain any drop in Obama's popularity or support for a Repub, off the table. In addition, it also occurred to me that if we are approaching a cliff in terms of debt, then a plain-speaking former ceo with practical experience running successful businesses would have a Ross-Perot-in-'92 appeal, hopefully without the paranoia, that would enhance his chances. On the negative side, AFAIK, he lacks gov't experience.
Jun '10
Re: May 2 Presidential Debate at Reagan Library Moved to September
Kenneth & TeamAmerica, you make me think that Mr. Cain could be a real God-send. My chief worry for this next election is the racialism involved. I worry that either the Republicans won't mount a serious fight (like McCain's childish campaign) -- or that if they do (which is very unlikely) that there will be serious consequences on America's streets and in many communities.
Presidential contests are rough -- and the kind of tactics used against Kerry would have to be used to unseat Obama. John O'Neil is a hero of mine for doing that unpleasant work that no one else was willing to do.
But, who's willing to go into all the dirt on Obama? And we can't pretend that going after his record will be enough. He will simply parry that with unsubstantiated charges of racism and then we will have thrust upon us a choice. Lose like McCain did or try and win?
Finally, consider that McCain in Irish means "son of Cain". So, maybe it's time to let daddy have a shot.
Edited on Mar 31, 2011 at 6:33amMay '10
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TeamAmerica: Kenneth-
Herman Cain has made the point that his nomination would take race, which the press would otherwise use to explain any drop in Obama's popularity or support for a Repub, off the table. In addition, it also occurred to me that if we are approaching a cliff in terms of debt, then a plain-speaking former ceo with practical experience running successful businesses would have a Ross-Perot-in-'92 appeal, hopefully without the paranoia, that would enhance his chances. On the negative side, AFAIK, he lacks gov't experience. · Mar 30 at 9:00pm
So did Dwight Eisenhower...we could do worse...frankly, I just wanna seem him in the debates.