Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
When we were recording the weekly podcast just now, somebody--James Lileks? Rob?--asked our guest, Tucker Carlson, if the Republicans could beat Obama in 2012. Tucker replied with his usual aplomb and good cheer.
"No."
Tucker named a couple of reasons with which we're all distressingly familiar. Too many Americans, Tucker said, like getting stuff from the federal government. Give up goodies right now to stave off collapse in 10 or 20 years? Don't be silly. Immigrants? They vote overwhelmingly Democratic. "Even immigrant groups that might surprise you," Tucker said. "Indians, for example."
Then Tucker named a reason that was a new one on me--or almost new: Even the most solid part of the Republican base, rural white voters, who have voted Republican ever since the election of Lincoln, are drifting toward the Democrats. Why? Illegitimacy. The traditional family is breaking down among rural whites with astonishing speed. Unmarried mothers vote Democratic--they need the welfare state. And they raise their children in an atmosphere of dependency, teaching them, if only by example, to rely on government handouts.
How bad is the problem? When we finished recording, I did a little research. Here's Nick Eberstadt, writing for the American Enterprise Institute:
Forty years after the Moynihan report, the tragic saga of the modern black family is common knowledge. But the tale of family breakdown in modern America is no longer a story delimited to a single ethnic minority. Today the family is also in crisis for this country's ethnic majority: the so-called white American population....
Consider trends in out-of-wedlock births. By 2002, 28.5 percent of babies of white mothers were born outside marriage in this country. Over the past generation, the white illegitimacy rate has exploded, quadrupling since 1975, when the level was 7.1 percent. The overall illegitimacy rate for whites is higher than it was for black mothers (23.6 percent) when the Moynihan report sounded its alarm....
Today no state in the Union has an Anglo illegitimacy ratio as low as 10 percent. Even in predominantly Mormon Utah, every eighth non-Hispanic white infant is born out of wedlock.
I'd been vaguely aware of this, but hadn't considered the political impact--the collapse of a big part of the traditional GOP base. When Tucker mentioned this, the idea was, as I say, almost new to me. As it happens, I'd heard it exactly a week ago today over dinner with Mark Steyn.
Mark had picked me up at the Hanover Inn, then driven 40 minutes into the woods, crossing a covered bridge and making so many turns and switchbacks that it occurred to me that I'd surely starve before being able to find my way back on my own. At last Mark turned onto a dirt road, bouncing along the ruts--it's mud season up there--until at last we reached our destination: An impeccably restored farmhouse dating back to colonial times, now a wonderful little restaurant.
Dinner with Mark is about what you'd expect: The conversation proves warm, brilliant, erudite, and hilarious, but the recurring theme is, as Mark himself puts it often enough, "the decline of the Republic." Mark Steyn, tap-dancing at the edge of the abyss.
For miles in every direction, Mark noted, lay country that until just a few decades ago represented the heartland, so to speak, of the flinty, resourceful, independent Yankee spirit. Now? "You'll see lovely girls in the local high schools," Mark said. "When you come across them again five years later, they'll each have three children by three different fathers." Then Mark told a story.
In colonial times, it was against crown law to cut down any pine that exceeded a certain girth--twenty-some inches, as I recall--because all such trees were reserved for the use of the Royal Navy, which required a ready supply of masts. Every time you see a colonial house with floorboards more than two feet wide, you're witnessing an artifact of the American spirit--an act of rebellion. Mark pointed to the floorboards in the restaurant, some of which were certainly more than two feet wide. "Two centuries ago," he said, "the families in these parts were felling trees in defiance of the crown. Today they're raising their children on welfare checks."
Woe to us all.
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Jan '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
That's the Democrat Battle Cry:
If you cut spending, you'll endanger illegitimacy!
Apr '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
For how long has the left bleated that Judeo-Christian values have nothing to do with the prosperity of our country?
Mar '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
This is why we need a social conservative in the White House. Understand me. I do not mean a government-establishes-religion but otherwise fiscal conservative, or a for-your-own-good, nanny state RINO who quotes the Bible in front of the cameras. I mean someone who believes in God and embraces the concept of being a spiritual role model.
May '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Peter, you just made the point I was trying to make to Aaron here. This is why we need someone like Ronald Reagan. And it's not because we need the leader with greatest resolve to cut the welfare state, but because we need a leader that can recast the American experience and reshape the existing paradigm.
Jul '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Peter, I have repeatedly made the argument here at Ricochet that illegitimacy is the single most dangerous threat to our society.
People don't want to talk about it. I suspect that might be because, even among our membership, pretty much everybody has a never-married mom in the family - a daughter, a sister, a favorite niece. I also suspect it is because many conservatives fear that the alternative to bastardy is abortion.
What absolutely must be done - and probably won't - is for government at every level to say, "From this day on, if you have a child out of wedlock, you're on your own. Absolutely no subsidy - no free health care, no WIC, no housing assistance, no food stamps. Nothing."
Instead, we generously subsidize bastardy, while the culture celebrates the pluck of single moms.
Apr '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
I imagine that having dinner with Mark Steyn would be a deeply schizophrenic experience: you'd be laughing your a** off while simultaneously becoming suicidally depressed.
Jul '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
This morning, I saw a car in the parking lot of my local Whole Foods. In addition to the ubiquitous Obama 2008 and Coexist bumper stickers, there were two other stickers:
Curb Your God: Fundamentalism of any color is ugly.
And
Kindness is Everything.
Mar '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Kenneth: Peter, I have repeatedly made the argument here at Ricochet that illegitimacy is the single most dangerous threat to our society.
People don't want to talk about it. I suspect that might be because, even among our membership, pretty much everybody has a never-married mom in the family - a daughter, a sister, a favorite niece. I also suspect it is because many conservatives fear that the alternative to bastardy is abortion.
What absolutely must be done - and probably won't - is for government at every level to say, "From this day on, if you have a child out of wedlock, you're on your own. Absolutely no subsidy - no free health care, no WIC, no housing assistance, no food stamps. Nothing."
Instead, we generously subsidize bastardy, while the culture celebrates the pluck of single moms. · Apr 14 at 1:13pm
Well said.
Apr '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Good grief - how depressing! I teach a literature class to homeschoolers, and we're currently reading The Hiding Place. We had to have a serious discussion today on what is expected of us as citizens and as Christians when "evil is in power," and society tells us that what's wrong is right. It certainly becomes complicated when the majority do not AGREE on what the standard of "right" is.
Nov '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
It all is pretty hopeless, apart from some major social shift, like another Great Awakening.
May '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Tucker Lies!!! But what can you expect from a man who describes DC as a really nice town. Methinks his finger misses the pulse sometimes.
Looking forward.
Dec '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Kenneth
This morning, I saw a car in the parking lot of my local Whole Foods. In addition to the ubiquitous Obama 2008 and Coexist bumper stickers, there were two other stickers:
Curb Your God: Fundamentalism of any color is ugly.
And
Kindness is Everything. · Apr 14 at 1:18pm
I once drove into my neighborhood behind a Goth-girl, probably now one of these unwed mothers we're supposed to admire, driving a car with similar bumper stickers and the license plate: EMPATHY. She's probably going to grow up to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Edited on Apr 14, 2011 at 1:40pmSep '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Lucy, the problem is that as long as we subsidize bastardy and other sorts of moral crimes, there won't be another Great Awakening. The Come to Jesus moment is usually preceded by a rapid decline in one's worldly state that prompts a deep consideration of how one should live one's life.
Charles Murray is working on a new book on just this topic, the decline of white America. He recently gave a lecture at the American Enterprise Institute summarizing some of his findings. You can see a video of it here:
http://www.aei.org/event/100281
Dec '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Kenneth
This morning, I saw a car in the parking lot of my local Whole Foods. In addition to the ubiquitous Obama 2008 and Coexist bumper stickers, there were two other stickers:
Curb Your God: Fundamentalism of any color is ugly.
And
Kindness is Everything. · Apr 14 at 1:18pm
I'm going to take a stab that those with the brave bumper stickers won't be confronting an Imam anytime soon.
And is there anybody more "fundamentalist" than a secular liberal? You'll see more dissension regarding the nature of the Trinity in a Baptist church than you will among NPR listeners regarding global warming.
About kindness, libs really don't see at all how truly mean they are. They're just bitter angry people. Just consider the aggressiveness (really, passive-aggressiveness) in the first sticker.
Dec '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Jim DeMint raised some ire with his statement that you can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative. In the abstract, I certainly disagree, but in practice, I don't.
You could count on one hand the major politicians who are fiscally conservative but not socially conservative. Especially now that the whole Democratic party is acting like home alone teenagers with the parents' credit card. Can you name one other than Chris Christie? I guess there's Rudy, but there are those who argue he wasn't all that frugal and, besides, he hasn't been in office in a long long time.
Dec '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
One point that a lot of people overlook, is the role that private action plays in solving these issues.
Before the days of the social safety net, people weren't dying in droves in the streets. In the scary days, issues such as poverty, sickness, and a variety of life's other maladies were dealt with at the local levels.
Neighborhoods, churches, families, friends, all came together to deal with these issues in their own way. They directly engaged the problems and bore the costs and responsibilities themselves.
When the state decides fills roles traditionally held by families, communities, churches, etc. it tends to decay and diminish the strength of those very institutions.
One of the most important ties that bind us together as citizens, is a sense of responsibility to ourselves and to the people around us. When we no longer carry that sense of duty and responsibility, we lose our connection to both ourselves, and to the people and institutions we should be vested in.
Edited on Apr 14, 2011 at 1:58pmRe: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Tucker is right about the bastardy rate among whites as well as among non-whites. But he is wrong to be defeatist. We won in 2010, and we will win in 2012 -- if we can find a candidate who can articulate our argument. I have a bias -- a rational bias, I think -- in favor of governors -- folks with executive experience. But, to an ever increasing degree, I am unhappy that Paul Ryan is not running.
In the debates, he would clean up. And when it came to the fiscal crisis, you could not do better. He seems to me to be a man of executive temperament, if not executive experience. He could make the argument, and he could govern.
Mar '11
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Oh, dear, it sounds like this week's podcast is going to be as depressing as the last, with Pat Cadell.
Sadly, both are probably right, as is Mark Steyn. I am also a British ex-pat, familiar with the decline of a once-great country - it is all looking depressingly familiar. I'm getting too old to move to another more-free country, and they are in short supply (maybe Australia or New Zealand?).
2012 will be the year when all will be lost, or recovered. We need an inspiring pair of candidates - at the risk of repeating myself from other feeds, Ryan/Rubio!
Jul '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Shame once curbed some actions, now government subsidizes them.
May '10
Re: Mark Steyn, Tucker Carlson, and Colonial Floorboards, Or Woe to Us All
Peter, if all is lost, if the country is about to descend into a one-party welfare state, can complete Balkanization be far behind with an inevitable break-up? The old and the poor will stay in the blue states while the young seek opportunity in the red?