Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Ben Domenech ·
February 4, 2012 at 7:07pm
Watch this. Now.
Marco Rubio always seems to follow Peter's four word advice about speech-giving: "Crack jokes. Tell stories." It's a rarity in the Senate, where so many are in love with the sounds of their own voices. But the principles that undergird these words are the key element, the aspect so often sorely lacking in political speeches today.
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May '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Sorry for hijacking the thread, Ben.
Jan '12
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Katievs, I detect petitio principii. Without your offering an intellectual definition of God, I must suspect that you are actually speaking from faith.
(Hegel's is simplicity itself: God is the True.)
I have come across definitions of God according "natural theology" and arguments for God's existence that don't depend on accepting the veracity of revelation. Anselm's ontological argument is probably the least freighted with presupposition. I am, however, also aware of Kant's critiques of all dogmatic claims. An intellectual argument for the existence of angels must be burdened with even more assumptions.
Needless to say, you and I shan't resolve this issue here. Let's just agree to disagree about the supernatural and the full range of what may be considered personality. There are no shortage of natural-law arguments against "the right to choose."
Edited on February 5, 2012 at 4:52amMay '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Well, that seems to me absurd, since there is an entire western tradition of natural theology.
May '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
We are not arguing about the existence of angels, but the nature of persons.
Jan '12
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
katievs
Well, that seems to me absurd, since there is an entire western tradition of natural theology. · 2 minutes ago
Yes, but you didn't offer it.
Enough?
Apr '11
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Not to mention, well, okay, I'll just come out and say it:
H.O.T.T.I.E.
May '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Noesis Noeseos
katievs
Well, that seems to me absurd, since there is an entire western tradition of natural theology. · 2 minutes ago
Yes, but you didn't offer it.
Enough? · 4 minutes ago
That's because we're not arguing about the nature or existence of God, but the nature of persons.
Jan '12
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
katievs
Noesis Noeseos
katievs
Well, that seems to me absurd, since there is an entire western tradition of natural theology. · 2 minutes ago
Yes, but you didn't offer it.
Enough? · 4 minutes ago
That's because we're not arguing about the nature or existence of God, but the nature of persons. · 4 minutes ago
Did I misunderstand your #60?
Dec '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Well, that was the most enjoyable 26 minutes of my day, and I had a pretty good day to start! I'm off to bed to finish reading Ten Universal Principles: A Brief Philosophy of the Life Issues, by Fr. Robert Spitzer. With respect, love, and affection for Aaron, Katie, and No No, I'll offer up Spitzer's objective definition of personhood, eliminating all arbitrary criteria: a living being having a full human genome distinct from both parents.
I suspect Rubio has already finished the book. He's right to engage this debate in this way. Roe v Wade violates fundamental principles of reason, ethics, and justice, which makes it unnecessary to make a case for God first. The SC never even bothered to define personhood, but decided since there wasn't any consensus among experts, that is based upon a lack of evidence, that babies are not persons in the 1st, 2nd, and in a qualified way in the 3rd trimester, which are themselves arbitrarily decided stages of development. It's a stinking mess of a law which even strident atheists should oppose based on universal principles.
Sep '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Why hello everyone. While I'd love to entertain the home team with Aquinas's use of Boethius's definition of person and personhood and get into all the metaphysical notions of subsistent relations (and, no, those aren't your in-laws who have overstayed their welcome) I think its probably best that those of us with these metaphysical inclinations wisely materialize in a separate thread dedicated to that task rather than the one at hand.
Finis.
Sep '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
The SC never even bothered to define personhood,
And yet they are quite certain of their emanating penumbras and the prospect of it protecting them from rain.
Jan '12
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Pseudodionysius: Why hello everyone. While I'd love to entertain the home team with Aquinas's use of Boethius's definition of person and personhood and get into all the metaphysical notions of subsistent relations (and, no, those aren't your in-laws who have overstayed their welcome) I think its probably best that those of us with these metaphysical inclinations wisely materialize in a separate thread dedicated to that task rather than the one at hand.
Finis. · 10 minutes ago
I'll have to do my homework first. To say my acquaintance with Boethius is rusty is to console with flattery.
Dec '11
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Charlotte
Not to mention, well, okay, I'll just come out and say it:
H.O.T.T.I.E.
Ditto. ;)
Dec '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
EThompson
Charlotte
Not to mention, well, okay, I'll just come out and say it:
H.O.T.T.I.E.
Ditto. ;) · 6 hours ago
Why must it be one day soon?
MARCO RUBIO FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!!!
There, that wasn't so difficult.
May '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
James Gawron
EThompson
Charlotte
Not to mention, well, okay, I'll just come out and say it:
H.O.T.T.I.E.
Ditto. ;) · 6 hours ago
Why must it be one day soon?
MARCO RUBIO FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!!!
There, that wasn't so difficult. · 1 hour ago
It's too late and too soon.
May '10
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Western Chauvinist:
With respect, love, and affection for Aaron, Katie, and No No, I'll offer up Spitzer's objective definition of personhood, eliminating all arbitrary criteria: a living being having a full human genome distinct from both parents.
Spitzer's definition may be good for legal purposes. But it's not a philosophical definition and we should take care not to be confused about that. And by saying that with a physicalist definition of personhood (again, okay for the purpose of law-crafting) you "eliminate all arbitrary criteria" you are effectively conceding the entire field of philosophy to relativism. That cuts us off from the deepest truths about the person and the deepest reasons for opposing abortion.
May '11
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Charlotte
Not to mention, well, okay, I'll just come out and say it:
H.O.T.T.I.E. · 11 hours ago
his wife is a former Miami Dolphins cheerleader
Apr '11
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Ningrim
Charlotte
Not to mention, well, okay, I'll just come out and say it:
H.O.T.T.I.E. · 11 hours ago
his wife is a former Miami Dolphins cheerleader · 22 minutes ago
I bet she's a hottie too! :-)
(Sorry, this is waaaaay off-topic...)
Jan '12
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Thank you for that. My main concern was to find a definition of personality that might be persuasive in American legal and legislative discussions. Only a spirit of enthusiasm carried me beyond.
Nov '11
Re: Marco Rubio Gives the Greatest Pro-Life Speech in a Generation
Thanks for the recharge, Ben, much needed and appreciated!