A top Pawlenty political advisor has stated the obvious: Michele Bachmann's sex appeal is a part of her presidential appeal.

Pawlenty has since apologized, of course, but was the guy wrong? Would anyone deny that if Bachmann -- who is unspectacular in both her resume and her conservative purity (she can't quite muster the courage to give Iowans the hard truth about ethanol subsidies, for instance) -- were trapped in the body of this guy, she'd be a non-entity in this race?

No fibbing.

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outstripp
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outstripp

My problem with MB is that she spells Michele with one L and Bachmann with two Ns.

EJHill
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EJHill
Scott Reusser:  Would anyone deny that if Bachmann -- who has an unspectacular resume...

How about a former governor, good family man, a guy who graduated in the top 7% of his class at one of the nation's service academies and a man who ran a successful family business?

If you were electing a resume, you couldn't do better. But you just chose James Earl Carter.

Thin resumes be damned.


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Elizabeth Dunn

“Quite honestly, it was a fashion statement vote for some people.”   - Mitch Daniels on 2008 presidential election

The beauty pageant standards reign supreme on both sides of the political fence. At least, our side includes the likes of Bachmann, Palin, Haley, Coulter, Malkin and other beautiful people with an enormous amount of common sense!

JohnBoy
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JohnBoy

Now is the time for men's equal rights.  Since the days when women first got the vote and put the first "hotty" into office (Warren G. Harding) - we've had to suffer with the likes of JFK, JEC, WJC and BHO as president.

I say it's time that we men got to put a "hotty" into office.  MB is hot!  (Uh oh! Better go - I see my wife approaching.)

Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser

EJHill

Scott Reusser:  Would anyone deny that if Bachmann -- who has an unspectacular resume...

How about a former governor, good family man, a guy who graduated in the top 7% of his class at one of the nation's service academies and a man who ran a successful family business?

If you were electing a resume, you couldn't do better. But you just chose James Earl Carter.

Thin resumes be damned. · Jul 6 at 7:47pm

No, I didn't choose Carter, but Bachmann did, as it happens.

As for thin resumes, they make it harder to reliably judge how someone will govern, especially when a candidate's governing philosophy is inconsistent --as with Bachmann's support for ethanol subsidies despite her supposed embrace of Tea Party values.

But you still didn't answer my question, EJ.

JohnBoy
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JohnBoy
... a former governor, good family man, a guy who graduated in the top 7% of his class at one of the nation's service academies and a man who ran a successful family business?

Yes, I remember the popular wisdom of the day (1976) saying, "What this country needs is a good businessman as president."  See what that got us.

Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser

Elizabeth Dunn: “Quite honestly, it was a fashion statement vote for some people.”   - Mitch Daniels on 2008 presidential election

The beauty pageant standards reign supreme on both sides of the political fence. At least, our side includes the likes of Bachmann, Palin, Haley, Coulter, Malkin and other beautiful people with an enormous amount of common sense! · Jul 6 at 8:09pm

Agreed.

EJHill
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EJHill
Scott Reusser  But you still didn't answer my question, EJ. · Jul 6 at 8:17pm

Maybe I'm not following the premise correctly. You and her disagree on ethanol. So in your mind people should disqualify her for that but can't since she's not bad looking for a 55-year-old mom?

Why don't you write the same sentence for Mitt? He's plastic looking and has the same ethanol stance.

Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser

EJHill

Scott Reusser  But you still didn't answer my question, EJ. · Jul 6 at 8:17pm

Maybe I'm not following the premise correctly. You and her disagree on ethanol. So in your mind people should disqualify her for that but can't since she's not bad looking for a 55-year-old mom?

Why don't you write the same sentence for Mitt? He's plastic looking and has the same ethanol stance. · Jul 6 at 8:34pm

I'm trying to get a handle on what sets her apart, since she's notable neither in her resume nor her conservative consistency. I've come to the conclusion that her sex appeal sets her apart, as it did Palin. The Pawlenty advisor came to the same conclusion, said so, and now his boss must apologize.

I'm rebelling against political correctness -- where stating truth is somehow scandalous. That's all.

Kenneth
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Kenneth

Michele Bachmann is what used to be called a "handsome woman".  She's no sex symbol, except by comparison to most women on the Democrat side. 

And honestly, the kind of people who would vote on such a facile basis aren't likely to be Republicans in the first place.  They're the kind who get tingles up their legs for the likes of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. 

EJHill
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EJHill

Hold that thought... looking for formatting....

EJHill
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EJHill
Scott Reusser I'm trying to get a handle on what sets her apart, since she's notable neither in her resume nor her conservative consistency.

Well, the resume game is one I don't play (As evidenced by my first post:  Jimmy Carter had an excellent CV - So did John Kerry and Al Gore).

When you measure "conservative consistency" what's the benchmark? Your conservatism? Mine? Kenneth's? Reagan's? Or Rob Long's?

What sets her apart is two things. First, she is the first woman who brings a credible constituency to the Republican primary. That makes her unique. There are states out there that she could win.

Second, she looks good compared to what's in the rest of the field. If there were a Christie or a Ryan in that group she'd be polling in the 1's and 2's.

And Kenneth, "handsome" is a good word. It's the polite way to say she looks good for 55. What would you say of her at 18?

Edited on Jul 6, 2011 at 9:49pm
Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser

Kenneth

And honestly, the kind of people who would vote on such a facile basis aren't likely to be Republicans in the first place.  They're the kind who get tingles up their legs for the likes of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.  · Jul 6 at 9:19pm

Maybe and I hope you're right, but I for one detect Republican tingles for Bachmann, and certainly for Palin. 

 

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

EJHill

How about a former governor, good family man, a guy who graduated in the top 7% of his class at one of the nation's service academies and a man who ran a successful family business?

If you were electing a resume, you couldn't do better. But you just chose James Earl Carter.

Thin resumes be damned. · Jul 6 at 7:47pm

We submariners are still rather ashamed to claim him. Just sayin.

Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser

EJHill

Scott Reusser I'm trying to get a handle on what sets her apart, since she's notable neither in her resume nor her conservative consistency.

When you measure "conservative consistency" what's the benchmark?  

Her Tea Party persona.

 

And Kenneth, "handsome" is a good word. It's the polite way to say she looks good for 55. What would you say of her at 18? ·

Well maybe I'm just a sucker for older women, but I find her striking (and not bad at 18, too). I suspect there are many like me and that this works to her advantage politically.

I only wish one could make such an observation as scandal-freely as one can make a similar observation about Romney or John Thune (or EJHill, who's a dead-ringer for Bing Crosby).

Crow's Nest
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Crow's Nest

This is not another Bachmann-Palin thread.....this is not another Bachmann-Palin thread.....this is not another Bachmann-Palin thread....

Okay, I give...

I've never found Bachmann physically attractive. I do find Palin physically attractive, but that's not going to sway my overall judgment of a candidate for higher office.

Attractiveness is not a valid or relevant criterion when choosing political leadership. 

The fact that I had to write that last sentence is evidence for the prosecution.


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TomC

 I used to think Palin and Bachmann were attractive.  Then I saw Yingluck Shinawatra.

I think I'm in love.

Tommy De Seno

 If you look at the list of female heads of state/government, you might have to agree with women when they say beautiful women have a problem being taken seriously.  The photos don't exactly look like a list of beauty queens.

Except for Cristina Krichner and Laura Chinchilla.   Hubba Hubba.

Scott Reusser
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Scott Reusser
Tommy De Seno:  If you look at the list of female heads of state/government, you might have to agree with women when they say beautiful women have a problem being taken seriously.  The photos don't exactly look like a list of beauty queens. ·

An interesting observation.

It's possible a woman's attractiveness is an asset with an electorate which is predisposed to liking her (as with Palin in that euphoric convention hall in 2008 or Bachmann in this primary) but a detriment when the natural skeptics are thrown into the mix, as in a general election.

Hmm.

thelonious
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thelonious

 I think she sounds like the pregnant sheriff (Frances McDormand) in the movie "Fargo."  If she ever says "Is that your friend in the woodchipper?"  I'd vote for her.  She's also easy on the eyes.


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