Do not, under any circumstances, miss our own James Lileks ferociously and mercilessly taking down Nanny Bloomberg.  A taste, as it were, from his Lileks.com:

Let's get one thing clear: when the TV talk-show people lavish praise on the idea, it has nothing to do with some abstract notion of the costs of obesity. They just don’t like fat people. Fat people, at best, are a rebuke their own finicky vanity - I look good, why can’t you? - and at the worst, aesthetically unpleasant. If they all went away, the trim pert types woudl miss them after a while, and realize that people no longer came pre-packaged in a style that made them easy to dismiss.

A thin woman with three children by three men who can't get by is an object of concern. A fat women with two kids who can't get by is a toad, and probably a smoker.

As I said: don't miss it.

Comments:


DrewInWisconsin
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DrewInWisconsin

I just read it before I came here. It's absolutely perfect. One of those "I wish I'd written it" pieces.

A culture that redefines food choices as moral issues will demonize the people who don’t share the tastes of the priest class. A culture that elevates eating to some holistic act of ethical self-definition - localvore, low-carbon-impact food, fair trade, artisanal cheese - will find the casual carefree choices of the less-enlightened as an affront to their belief system. Leave it to Americans to invent a Puritan strain of Epicurianism.

Edited on June 5, 2012 at 9:43pm
Mendel
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Mendel

They just don’t like fat people. Fat people, at best, are a rebuke their own finicky vanity - I look good, why can’t you? - and at the worst, aesthetically unpleasant.

The counter-argument is that peer pressure and ridicule are much more effective and less tyrannical tools against obesity than a soda ban.

Give the nanny-staters credit for this: they have managed to transform the party of personal responsibility into staunch defenders of those who have lost control over a good portion of their own well-being.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

I await the condemnation of the cannibals in our midst for consuming unhealthy, uncooked human flesh.

SMatthewStolte
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SMatthewStolte

I don’t think Lileks’ “they don’t like fat people” explanation is at all plausible. 

I think the explanation is that folks like Bloomberg have developed a kind of second-nature habit of trying to fix other people. This habit is a result of politics, and I rather expect that Bloomberg would do exactly the same thing even if he were overweight. 

Nanda Panjandrum
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Nanda Panjandrum

As one who doesn't - and will never - fit the "body beautiful" mode: "Thank you" to James and Drew!

Jimmy Carter
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Jimmy Carter

FREE FAT

Duane Oyen
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Duane Oyen

There is actually another angle to this story, courtesy of Reason.

Yes, Bloomberg is a nanny fussbudget elitist.  But the real story goes back to Michelle Obama's obesity campaign.  Bloomberg had actually put together a plan to block food stamp (now the electronic SNAP) recipients from using our money to buy candy and soda pop instead of black beans and brown rice.  The request was turned down flat by Obama's DoA because it nisn't right for us to give people free money and then tell them they can't waste it or do harm to themselves with it.

So Bloomberg went to a ban on the products instead.

Brasidas
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Brasidas

My favorite part:

So it's not poison.

Unless you're on TV and want everyone to like you because you'reconcerned about the right things. Being concerned about fat people like being concerned about Tibet; it requries nothing but expression of the proper sentiment, usually containing sadness for The Children, but also some righteous anger for Big Food, which has tricked everyone into eating more. The idea thatsome kids are fat because they have lousy parents doesn't apply, because whoa whoa whoa now we're blaming the victims, the people who for some mysterious reason can't arrange a family meal and influence their progeny's ingestion. For those people, obesity just happens, somehow. But in general, it's because of soda, because everyone saw that YouTube clip with the stack of sugar cubes, right?

Sumomitch
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Robert Mitchell

I don't know, maybe we're being too rigidly libertarian about this. In the spirit of hand-across the aisle, why don't we suggest that Major Bloomberg initiate weigh-ins  at New York City's welfare offices? Food stamps, by definition are harmful to those already overweight, no? And taxpayer - subsidized housing almost certainly has couches, Lazy-boy chairs and other such harmful devices, no doubt designed by the Man to keep the good people down. On the other hand, I rarely see obese homeless; life on the streets could be regarded as late moderne caveman. Since Bloomberg is citing obesity costs to the welfare state, maybe this gives us the opening to get him to eliminate direct welfare; it's fattening!

DrewInWisconsin
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DrewInWisconsin

The first lady applauds the ban. But not this specific ban in this specific way. Only generally, so as to avoid blowback. But if you like the ban, then Michelle Obama wants you to know that she does, too. But if you don't like the ban (as, apparently, 65% of us don't) then she wants you to know that she's against such laws, kind of, sort of. Wink wink.

Edited on June 5, 2012 at 11:31pm
Mama Toad
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Mama Toad

Am I the only member here who finds the following remark offensive?

A thin woman with three children by three men who can't get by is an object of concern. A fat women with two kids who can't get by is a toad, and probably a smoker. [bold and italics mine]

(Just kidding!)

James Lileks

Totally inadvertent! I know better than to cross you, Mama. ;)

Mama Toad
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Mama Toad
James Lileks: Totally inadvertent! I know better than to cross you, Mama. ;) · 2 minutes ago

Thank you. I am mollified (I hope that doesn't upset one of our editors...)

Edited on June 6, 2012 at 1:12am
KC Mulville
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KC Mulville

A: People are fat. So, the Dallas Cowboys should be empowered to take away people’s drinks.

B: No they shouldn’t.

A: But people are FAT!

- - - - - -

A: People are fat. So, the Catholic Church should be empowered to take away people’s drinks.

B: No they shouldn’t.

A: But people are FAT!

- - - - - -

A: People are fat. So, the cast of Glee! should be empowered to take away people’s drinks.

B: No they shouldn’t.

A: But people are FAT!

- - - - - -

A: People are fat. So, the United Nations should be empowered to take away people’s drinks.

B: No they shouldn’t.

A: But people are FAT!

- - - - - -

Just because there’s a problem doesn’t mean that any group can step up and assume authority.

But if you answered … “Yeah, but government is supposed to fix this problem” …

… then we’ve come to the heart of the issue.

Sumomitch
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Robert Mitchell

Mama: (Mouthing words silently) "We thought you was a Toad."

Foxfier
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Foxfier

There's a reason so many folks came to Ricochet because Mr. Lileks said it would be good.

Since you're here.... *waves* Thank you so much!  Your site was either the first or second one I read when I got out of bootcamp and was finally able to visit web sites again!

James Lileks

Thank you, Fox - for your service! (and the patronage.) 


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