Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
Blue Yeti ·
Mar 30, 2011 at 7:43pm
Ricochet's own star-crossed pundits, Mickey Kaus and David Limbaugh are back. This week, they mix it up over the action Libya, who benefits and who doesn't from a threatened government shutdown, the flight of blacks from the industrial upper mid-west, and the Breitbart-Huffington epic Battle of the Bloggers.
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May '10
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
Seems to me that the debt limit is the firewall. There can be no raising of the debt ceiling without MAJOR SERIOUS budget cuts. And maybe not even then.
Sep '10
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
LOVE IT! I find myself anticipating this podcast as much as the regular weekly podcast. Kaus and Limbaugh are a perfect Felix and Oscar. Mickey's leftism is easy-going and open to criticism; I find him amazingly transparent and open. And David is great to listen to especially if, like me, you can use all the tips you can on how to respond to ideas that appall you without letting yourself overreact and turn into a snot. It's true that while David thinks philosophically, Mickey responds to events like an inveterate political operative, but the overlap is great! David helps me get down to first principles; Mickey, to thinking outside my own box.
Feb '11
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
Finally, David has outlined the missing antecedent that leads to the consequence of America going to war under the Obama Doctrine; the war is sanctioned by the international community (i.e. an outsourcing of our foreign policy). While I can see many problems with this, I think this will be the strongest argument for keeping us from invading Syria, Yemen, (insert unstable arab country here).
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
You've captured my feeling here w/your comment. I don't get to listen to these podcasts on the job, so I listen to them when I'm out walking the dog or at the gym. I love all of the podcasts in the Ricochet series, but I find myself getting especially excited about this one. Maybe that has to do with the fact that they only come out once every two weeks. And of course the great mix of personalities :)
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
Diane Ellis, Ed.
You've captured my feeling here w/your comment. I don't get to listen to these podcasts on the job, so I listen to them when I'm out walking the dog or at the gym. I love all of the podcasts in the Ricochet series, but I find myself getting especially excited about this one.
Me too. Love this podcast.
Jun '10
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
On the budget negotiations, David comes off (to me) as a bit.. out there. He says that he doesn't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, but dismisses a $30B cut as compromise. He seems to relish the idea of Tea Partiers starting their own 3rd party if the Republicans don't shut down the government in order to get their full cuts in place.
Mickey repeatedly points out how the last government shutdown worked out (hint: President Dole is in a different universe), but David won't hear it. The only way we can impress people with the seriousness of this crisis is to do Everything Possible.
If you listen closely, you may hear echoes of those on the left, condemning anything short of Single Payer Healthcare. No compromises!
There is a middle, and I thank Mickey for (generally) standing there.
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
Tom. FYI. I am not a third party guy. But believe it could happen at some point if the GOP caves. Advocating a 1.5 percent reduction in the budget is hardly comparable to Dems insisting on single payer. I am merely saying as an analyst that compromising to this extent would hurt the GOPs chances in 2012 more than shutting the govt down. I personally would not take my ball and go home ie vote for Obama or third party but I'm saying many very well might. On the other hand you seem to be playing into the template -- "if the Republicans shut the govt down.". It's the Dems who are cynical in their approach to this both in substance ($4.5 to $6 Bil in cuts with a $3.8T budget) and process (Schumer). So please remember there are two parties involved here and the far more culpable of the two is the Dems. I wish you would betray more concern with the gravity of the nations solvency. Not to be alarmed is more extreme than to be alarmed IMHO.
Jun '10
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
I'm very concerned. I buy into the scenarios Megan McArdle paints on her Atlantic blog and recently on bloggingheads. So much so that I think that things such as some industry subsidies (I'm looking at you, ethanol) should go away, even if that means an effective tax increase there. I agree with Mickey (again) that Social Security needs to be touched and that a politically viable way to do that is to means-test (what, Senator Reid? You're advocating payouts to Bill Gates?).
That whole "political viability" thing seems a sticking point, though. Trying to push things through too quickly (even if your base is wholly on board) can set things back badly. There's nothing magic about This Year, but there is something important about the deficit as an issue. But if you are incorrect and a government shutdown ends up painting deficit hawks as economic flat-earthers, we'll be far worse off.
Just to join in the chorus above, thank you all for these podcasts. My only problem now is that they're cutting into my audible book time. I seem to need a longer commute to make time, but... Mother Gaia will cry.
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
There's no doubt that the GOP has trouble prevailing in the PR department but if they are saddled with flat earther and the like merely trying to reduce spending by a paltry fraction I will be horrified. You say there's nothing magic about this year but both irksome Bowles and Alan Simpson -- hardly wingers -- are predicting catastrophe within two years or one, respectively, if I understand them correctly. I reLly think we are already at the crisis stage and this Democratic naysaying is very reckless on that it might even have reasonable people like you underestimating the urgency. I truly don't believe I'm being am alarmist and I hope I'm wrong but in the meantime don't think we can afford to take a chance.
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Getting on plane. Sorry for typos. Cant type on iPhone.
Nov '10
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
I had my doubts about this podcast at first, but this latest one has made me a believer. One extremely interesting debate after the next.
Oct '10
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Apr '11
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
I enjoy the podcast, but I think we should modify Rob Long's mission to convert Mickey Kaus. I think the larger goal should be to make a better Left in the US.
Apr '11
Re: Kaus/Limbaugh #3: Libya Government Shutdown, Blacks Flee Blogger Battle
Based on what I can tell, Mickey is the better Left in the U.S. which is part of why he's on this podcast. PS the title of this one needs a comma. It looks right now like the Blacks are fleeing a blogger battle. Why are they fleeing this blogger battle?