Joe's Money-Back "Guarantee" on Abortion

Adam Freedman · October 12, 2012 at 8:11pm

My two cents, post-debate. I agree with everyone about Biden's boorish behavior, but I'd like to focus on what the Laughing Cavalier had to say about abortion and the Court. He pledged a "guarantee" that no Supreme Court justice appointed by Obama would ever vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.

A guarantee? Backed by what - Joe's dental work? What about an independent judiciary? As I argue over at NRO's Corner, Biden's evident belief that he can deliver Supreme Court votes -- like a shop steward delivering up the votes of his workers -- is typical of the administration's efforts to bully the Court into submission.

And of course, the former star of the Judiciary Committee claimed that overturning Roe would "outlaw abortion." No, Joe, overturning Roe would return the issue to the state legislatures. Does Biden have any use for the Constitution, save, perhaps, wrapping fish?

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Didn't someone ask if that was a litmus test and he blew off the question?

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If I understand the Democratic position is a women has an unlimited right to choose. Therefore, a women who is 8 months pregnant with a baby girl decides she wants a boy has a right to get an abortion. Why are Democrats never forced to address situations like this. I doubt if 30% of Americans support a radical position like this.

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Yes, Paul Ryan said something like "So you have a litmus test?" and he didn't respond.

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liberal jim: If I understand the Democratic position is a women has an unlimited right to choose. Therefore, a women who is 8 months pregnant with a baby girl decides she wants a boy has a right to get an abortion. Why are Democrats never forced to address situations like this. I doubt if 30% of Americans support a radical position like this. · _{5 minutes ago}

I wrote a piece of media criticism this morning about just that issue. Glad that some people are noticing this problem:

Now, perhaps Raddatz doesn’t know enough to know that people would disagree whether Biden understands Roman Catholic teaching on abortion, much less accepts it. Perhaps that’s not where she should direct a tough follow-up question.
But how about asking him whether he could envision any limitations on abortion at all, whatsoever? How about asking him if he thinks it should be legal to kill an unborn child simply because that child is a female? How about asking him if he thinks that there is anything wrong with terminating a pregnancy because the fetus has Down syndrome?

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I just wish Ryan had said that the same "bean" he saw on the ultrasound was the same human then as she is now. You don't stop a person from being a human being just by stopping her from being born.

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DrewInWisconsin: Yes, Paul Ryan said something like "So you have a litmus test?" and he didn't respond. · _{15 minutes ago}

From the debate:

BIDEN: The court -- the next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That's how close Roe v. Wade is. Just ask yourself, with Robert Bork being the chief adviser on the court for -- for Mr. Romney, who do you think he's likely to appoint? Do you think he's likely to appoint someone like Scalia or someone else on the court far right that would outlaw (inaudible) -- outlaw abortion? I suspect that would happen.
I guarantee you, that will not happen. We picked two people. We pick people who are open-minded. They've been good justices. So keep an eye on the Supreme Court...
RYAN: Was there a litmus test on them?
BIDEN: There was no litmus test. We picked people who had an open mind; did not come with an agenda.

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DrewInWisconsin: Yes, Paul Ryan said something like "So you have a litmus test?" and he didn't respond. · _{15 minutes ago}

From the debate:

BIDEN: The court -- the next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That's how close Roe v. Wade is. Just ask yourself, with Robert Bork being the chief adviser on the court for -- for Mr. Romney, who do you think he's likely to appoint? Do you think he's likely to appoint someone like Scalia or someone else on the court far right that would outlaw (inaudible) -- outlaw abortion? I suspect that would happen.
I guarantee you, that will not happen. We picked two people. We pick people who are open-minded. They've been good justices. So keep an eye on the Supreme Court...
RYAN: Was there a litmus test on them?
BIDEN: There was no litmus test. We picked people who had an open mind; did not come with an agenda.

To quote the Veep, malarkey.

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Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

I wrote a piece of media criticism this morning about just that issue. Glad that some people are noticing this problem:

Now, perhaps Raddatz doesn’t know enough to know that people would disagree whether Biden understands Roman Catholic teaching on abortion, much less accepts it. Perhaps that’s not where she should direct a tough follow-up question.
But how about asking him whether he could envision any limitations on abortion at all, whatsoever? How about asking him if he thinks it should be legal to kill an unborn child simply because that child is a female? How about asking him if he thinks that there is anything wrong with terminating a pregnancy because the fetus has Down syndrome?

_{12 minutes ago}

Or, "if you agree with your church that life begins at conception, why are you okay with murdering it?"

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Oh, I heard the "open mind" part of that. Apparently to oppose abortion is to have a closed mind. The sad part is that the left completely believes that. I blame the schools.

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I enjoy reminding Democrats that not even NARAL opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act which Obama voted against. (Three times, I think.)

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When I was reading CS Lewis' Mere Christianity, he noted that there are good Christians and bad Christians. As a member of my Church, which has a very good catechism available with specifics on abortion, I have a clear indication of which side of the abortion debate Smilin' Joe is on: The wrong side.

There are good Catholics and bad Catholics.

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Donald Todd: When I was reading CS Lewis' Mere Christianity, he noted that there are good Christians and bad Christians. As a member of my Church, which has a very good catechism available with specifics on abortion, I have a clear indication of which side of the abortion debate Smilin' Joe is on: The wrong side.

There are good Catholics and bad Catholics. · _{1 minute ago}

Amen....Maybe as our Archbishops are getting bolder on challenges to religious freedom, they can finally call out some of these "practicing" Catholics that by their own words and deeds work in sharp opposition to the Churches teaching. Whatever happened to good old excommunication?

Edited on October 12, 2012 at 9:10pm

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As for the idea that overturning Roe would "outlaw abortion," is that ignorance or a scare tactic? You would think that a guy who took the time to cheat his way through law school would at least try to pretend to know more about the Constitition than a JR High civics student.

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Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

I wrote a piece of media criticism this morning about just that issue. Glad that some people are noticing this problem:

Now, perhaps Raddatz doesn’t know enough to know that people would disagree whether Biden understands Roman Catholic teaching on abortion, much less accepts it. Perhaps that’s not where she should direct a tough follow-up question.
But how about asking him whether he could envision any limitations on abortion at all, whatsoever? How about asking him if he thinks it should be legal to kill an unborn child simply because that child is a female? How about asking him if he thinks that there is anything wrong with terminating a pregnancy because the fetus has Down syndrome?

Why stop there? Why not join "bioethicist" Peter Singer in supporting infanticide? That would seem to be the next frontier in the culture of death.

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Vance Richards: As for the idea that overturning Roe would "outlaw abortion," is that ignorance or a scare tactic? You would think that a guy who took the time to cheat his way through law school would at least try to pretend to know more about the Constitition than a JR High civics student. · _{6 minutes ago}

Scare tactic, I think. But you never know with Lunch Bucket Joe -- he might just be that dumb.

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According to Powerline the RC Bishops have issued a statement saying Plugs was wrong to say that yhe HHS mandate wouldn't require Catholic institutions to provide insurance that paid for contraception, sterilization and abortifacients. The Mitre'd Milquetoasts may finally be getting a spine.

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Biden's nonsensical Roe vs. Wade comments are of a piece with Ryan's reference (uncontested and ignored) to Uncle Joe's approval of China's "one-child per family" policy.

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Adam Freedman Does Biden have any use for the Constitution, save, perhaps, wrapping fish? · _{· 2 hours ago}

Yes.

As toilet paper.

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What the VP neglected to mention is that if he were to actually give you your money back, it would be worth much less than when you gave it to him.

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Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

liberal jim:

I wrote a piece of media criticism this morning about just that issue. Glad that some people are noticing this problem:

_{2 hours ago}

I don't disagree with your piece, but I really wonder why pro-life candidates never push the point. It appears to me they want to say they are pro-life, but don't want to take a chance on it costing them anything. One can hardly expect liberal pro-choice journalists to ask when pro-life candidates won't .