And it's not political, at least not in a Republican/Democrat sort of way.

But in some areas it can divide a city.

It is, however, something that should be discussed at this time of year.

For nearly 40 years, this issue has divided friend from friend, father from son, brother from brother.

It's been the subject of TV commercials, much TV debate, and lots of online debate as well.

The issue is...

The designated hitter rule.

How say you? DH, or let the pitcher hit?

Comments:


Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

Pretty sure that Ricochet has an official "anti-DH" policy, no? I mean, we're all right-thinking people here, right?

Songwriter
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Songwriter

Ok. I'll play...Pitchers are part of the team, right? They should havta hit like everybody else. 

Edited on August 31, 2012 at 3:00pm
ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer

Songwriter: Ok. I'll play...Pitchers are part of the team, right? They should havta hit like everybody else.  · 2 minutes ago

Edited 2 minutes ago

The pitcher is quite a bit different from other positions, tho.

How many shortstops only play a few innings and then get pulled for a "relief shortstop"?

How many right fielders only play every fourth or fifth day?

ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer
Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: Pretty sure that Ricochet has an official "anti-DH" policy, no? I mean, we're all right-thinking people here, right? · 5 minutes ago

Apologies, O Mighty Editor... didn't mean to step over any policy lines.

Spin
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Ken Owsley

On the one hand, there's Edgar Martinez.  On the other hand, well, who am I kidding?  I know nothing of cricket.

Dan Campbell
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Dan Campbell

The pitcher should hit.  It's basic American fairness.  As Songwriter said, the pitcher is part of the team, and everybody else on the team hits.  Is the pitcher some kind fo pansy primadonna?  Too good to get dirt on his freshly-pressed stretch pants?  It's basic leadership by example.

If you want to have a DH rule, let the DH hit for any one named player per game, not just the pitcher.

Edited on August 31, 2012 at 3:33pm
ConservativeWanderer
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ConservativeWanderer

Dan Campbell: If you want to have a DH rule, let the DH hit for any one named player per game, not just the pitcher. · 0 minutes ago

Edited 0 minutes ago

That works.

Personally, I'm not a tremendous DH-partisan, nor anti-DH... I just want both halves of the sport playing by the same rules.

1967mustangman
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1967mustangman
Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: Pretty sure that Ricochet has an official "anti-DH" policy, no? I mean, we're all right-thinking people here, right? · 34 minutes ago

Any "right-thinking " individual should know that this "the pitcher should hit" nonsense is nothing but left-wing egalitarian clap-trap.  The DH rule is the heart and soul of capitalism.  If I want to hire someone to do something better than I can, I should be able too in a free an open society.

Besides the DH helps you maximize the value you receive from one of your scarcest resources (good-pitching bad-pitching is a dime a dozen).  Anti-DH rules are just more meddlesome government regulation.

Edited on August 31, 2012 at 3:42pm
2Evil4U
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2Evil4U

I'm generally in favor of the DH, but when one of your better players has his arm broken as the third hit batter in the same game, it might be nice to be able to throw at the offending pitcher's head.

ctruppi
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ctruppi

Pitcher hitting became a problem in modern times because they became coddled, prima donnas and suddenly COULDN't hit!  In years past guys by the name of Babe Ruth were pretty good pitchers AND could wield a mean bat.  They generally weren't automatic outs.  When they bacame automatic outs, it created a whole different level of line-up strategy and bullpen management that is simply non-existent with the DH. 

National League is a much more exciting game because of this!

Foxman
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Foxman

Whom is the pitcher allowed to hit?

Foxman
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Foxman
Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: Pretty sure that Ricochet has an official "anti-DH" policy, no? I mean, we're all right-thinking people here, right? · 52 minutes ago

I thought we were center-right.

Songwriter
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Songwriter

Line of the week.

Foxman: Whom is the pitcher allowed to hit? · 6 minutes ago
Glenn the Iconoclast
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Glenn the Iconoclast
Foxman: Whom is the pitcher allowed to hit?

John Roseboro.


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Patrick Richardson

Personally I'm in favor of the DH. It allows batters who still swing a mean stick and can contribute to their teams to continue to contribute even when maybe their gloves aren't what they once were.

Where would Edgar Martinez be without the DH?

Oh, and to an earlier comment. There's no rule saying the DH has to hit for the Pitcher, he can hit for any player the manager designates. Managers just always designate the worst hitter, which tends to be the pitcher.

In HS baseball the pitcher is often also the best batter on the team so it's not unusual to see the DH used for a weaker batter who may be, say, the third baseman.

Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

Foxman

Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: Pretty sure that Ricochet has an official "anti-DH" policy, no? I mean, we're all right-thinking people here, right? · 52 minutes ago

I thought we were center-right. · 2 minutes ago

I remember that Brookings and AEI used to have a softball team in DC and on their shirts it said, "We've got center and right covered" or something like that. Loved it.

Glenn the Iconoclast
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Glenn the Iconoclast

Patrick Richardson:

Oh, and to an earlier comment. There's no rule saying the DH has to hit for the Pitcher, he can hit for any player the manager designates. Managers just always designate the worst hitter, which tends to be the pitcher.

In MLB, Rule 6.10(b) says the DH must be used for the pitcher.  Earl Weaver used to monkey around with it in the first year or two, and I think it has been twice-modified since then (not counting the WS changes).


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Larry3435

I like the way things are.  DH in one league, not in the other, and people get to choose what they watch.  Lefties want to impose their preferences on everybody else.  Our position should be choice, choice, choice.

When we get a third league, lets see a football arrangement -- totally different players on offense and defense.  Best pitchers and fielders play defense, best hitters play offense.

Foxman
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Foxman

"In MLB, Rule 6.10(b)"

Sounds like MLB has waaay too many rules

Bryan G. Stephens
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Bryan G. Stephens

Only way to play real baseball is for the Pitcher to hit. It was good enough for Babe Ruth when he pitched.


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