James Lileks · February 22, 2012 at 5:22am

No. There! That was easy. But hey, not so fast. The Atlantic website today posted a piece by a Polish writer about the thoughts and needs of the generation that grew up on the Internet. An excerpt:

Participating in cultural life is not something out of ordinary to us: global culture is the fundamental building block of our identity, more important for defining ourselves than traditions, historical narratives, social status, ancestry, or even the language that we use.

This strikes me as nonsense, but you may disagree. Read the whole piece for context, and what he really wants. (Cheaper downloadable movies. Also, Democracy.)  I'd post my reply here, but it's long, and you can find it here, if you wish, under the pictures of failed Times Square skyscraper plans. 

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DocJay
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DocJay

There's a global culture of stupidity.  They like Obama still.

Mel Foil
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etoiledunord

We do not feel a religious respect for 'institutions of democracy' in their current form, we do not believe in their axiomatic role, as do those who see 'institutions of democracy' as a monument for and by themselves. We do not need monuments. We need a system that will live up to our expectations, a system that is transparent and proficient. And we have learned that change is possible: that every uncomfortable system can be replaced and is replaced by a new one, one that is more efficient, better suited to our needs, giving more opportunities. What we value the most is freedom: freedom of speech, freedom of access to information and to culture. We feel that it is thanks to freedom that the Web is what it is, and that it is our duty to protect that freedom. We owe that to next generations, just as much as we owe to protect the environment.

Except, I'm not a WE. I'm an individual, thank you. What makes "global culture" creepy is the expected conformity. It's the new conformity rebelling against the old conformity, and that's not really progress, is it?

Leigh
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Leigh

We do not feel a religious respect for 'institutions of democracy' in their current form... We need a system that will live up to our expectations, a system that is transparent and proficient. And we have learned that change is possible: that every uncomfortable system can be replaced and is replaced by a new one, one that is more efficient, better suited to our needs, giving more opportunities.

Same quote jumped out at me , with a different thought -- Edmund Burke would have some things to say to to this guy...  This kind of train of thought can get dangerous easily.

Oh, and we want a lot, and we are going to get it by demanding it, apparently?

An interesting read.

Edited on February 22, 2012 at 5:57am
Starve the Beast
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Starve the Beast

I find this encouraging. It's exactly - and I mean exactly, down to the last molecule - the way we talked about our generation back when I was 24.

You see, we were children of a different world, the next evolutionary stage, and the cro magnons that came before us just couldn't relate. And the generation directly downstream of us never trusted anyone over 30, but by the time I had an electricity bill in my name they were just a bunch of old squares, so who cared what they thought?

This article is good news because it underlines a great truth: human nature is stronger than Google. To quote one of the great philosophers of my youth: "Same as it Ever Was".

DocJay
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DocJay

Starve the Beast: I find this encouraging. It's exactly - and I mean exactly, down to the last molecule - the way we talked about our generation back when I was 24.

You see, we were children of a different world, the next evolutionary stage, and the cro magnons that came before us just couldn't relate. And the generation directly downstream of us never trusted anyone over 30, but by the time I had an electricity bill in my name they were just a bunch of old squares, so who cared what they thought?

This article is good news because it underlines a great truth: human nature is stronger than Google. To quote one of the great philosophers of my youth: "Same as it Ever Was". · 8 minutes ago

You may find yourself.....

Joseph Eagar
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Joseph Eagar

This is fairly predictable.  All cosmopolitan groups think this.  The more wide-spread and excessive is this attitude, the bigger the backlash against it will be as society fully wakes up to the moral breakdown, ruined lives and devastated communities that are a natural consequence.

Still, I think this mindset is declining in America.

PJ Kellogg
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PJ Kellogg

"Brought up on the Web we think differently."

Yes, you certainly do. But perhaps "think" is not the most appropriate verb.

Joseph Eagar
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Joseph Eagar

Well, it a little true that there's a global culture, in the sense that there is an American culture.  Young internet-users have evolved a shared cultural space, even if they retain their individual cultures, much as America is made up of thousands of cultures, but everyone participates in "American culture."

That's not the same thing as the traditional cosmopolitan argument; the whole "national borders are bad, blah blah blah" line of thought (my favorite response is to ask how wealthier communities can be asked to subsidize poorer ones--as happens in every nation on earth--unless they both feel part of a larger community, i.e. a nation).

Valiuth
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Valiuth

It is late but I think in some ways we are seeing a Global Culture emerging...though I don't think it is what the author thinks it is. Eager is probably right. What we are seeing is the spread of American culture further and faster than people realize. This is a double edged sword as American cultural patterns become more dominated by the internet it allows American culture to feel the influence of other cultures more strongly, thus the rate of cultural change may increase.  

Thus as American culture becomes less alien to people and adopts more Japanese, German, Polish etc...patterns more people around the world will be drawn to it and become immersed in it. I think that is the great strength of America. 

Our culture has so many influences that we can more easily relate to other cultures. Also we are so dominating that it is hard to ignore us. We love to sell ourselves. I think only the French try harder to sell their culture than Americans do. 

It may be that one day the world do to high levels of integration does merge into one culture with only slight regional differences...but not today. 

Samuel Amaral
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Samuel Amaral

This seems to be the product of internet forum discussions, which are more often than not pits of stupidity and mediocre ideas.

The internet is not an extension of reality, it is a network owned by millions of third parties.

The only global culture that exist could only be the American Culture, but even this concept is somewhat limited.

Fat Dave
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Fat Dave

I would be more concerned about the death of High Culture, rather than the emergence of "global culture."


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david foster

Pretty much claptrap. Similar to the belief that the telegraph would bring about a new era of universal understanding and peace.

Valiuth
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Valiuth
Fat Dave: I would be more concerned about the death of High Culture, rather than the emergence of "global culture." · 2 hours ago

what pray tell is "high culture"? 


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Matthew Bartle

James,

That link to your bleat doesn't work. Should be this:

http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/12/0212/022212.html

Palaeologus
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Palaeologus

global culture is the fundamental building block of our identity, more important for defining ourselves than traditions, historical narratives, social status, ancestry, or even the language that we use.

This is incoherent.

Culture is shared, learned behavior. I suppose he means that global historical narratives, traditions, and languages are more defining than local ones

I'm skeptical about this, other than at the margins. I don't see culture driven conflicts disappearing anytime soon due to the intertubes.

Adam Freedman

My only quibble with your comment, James, is that this guy doesn't want his downloads cheaper, he wants it all for free -- that ghastly cliche about how information "wants to be free" (no, you want it to be free -- not the same thing). And, like all advocates of "global culture," this guy seems to have no confidence in his own culture. Im not surprised by Alex Madrigal's comment that such manifestos usually come from Europe.

St. Salieri
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St. Salieri

Brilliant Mr. Freedman, you'd think someone from Poland might, might, have a respect for a culture that has survived the dual flaying of Nazism and Communism (not to mention suppression in the 19th century), and has produced some powerful cultural artifacts...geez!

Adam Freedman: My only quibble with your comment, James, is that this guy doesn't want his downloads cheaper, he wants it all for free -- that ghastly cliche about how information "wants to be free" (no, you want it to be free -- not the same thing). And, like all advocates of "global culture," this guy seems to have no confidence in his own culture. Im not surprised by Alex Madrigal's comment that such manifestos usually come from Europe. · 0 minutes ago

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HalifaxCB

If you read it as a parody of the angst, wishful thinking, historical illiteracy, and unfounded romanticism that makes up the Occupy-think of eternal adolescents, it's actually pretty funny.

Erik Larsen
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Erik Larsen

My only pithy observation is that when I see someone from abroad burning the US flag, they are often wearing a NY Yankee cap or Tommy Hilfilger clothing

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

All of this "we-ness" of the great and only global culture causes me to hearken back to my stand-by wise man, G. K. Chesterton:

We can say that the family is the unit of the state; that it is the cell that makes up the formation.  Round the family do indeed gather the sanctities that separate men from ants and bees.  Decency is the curtain of that tent; liberty is the wall of that city; property is but the family farm; honour is but the family flag.  In the practical proportions of human history, we come back to that fundamental of the father and the mother and the child.

Or, to paraphrase something like I think someone said, "A child of the world has damned poor parents."  

All this talk of a global culture is bilge.  In the end, it comes down to family, church, tribe, community, state, and nation.  Everything other than that is ephemeral and, in the end, undependable.


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