Is the State of Washington About to Become the Country's Biggest Tourist Destination?
Mr. Bildo ·
October 18, 2012 at 10:50pm
If the polling is accurate on two game changing ballot initiatives, my guess is--yes!
Forget Vegas! Seattle is about to become the city to be in if you want to marry your same-sex partner and pass the dutchie at the wedding reception.
What say you, Ricochetti? Libertarian Paradise, New Sodom and Gomorrah or something else?
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Dec '10
Re: Is the State of Washington About to Become the Country's Biggest Tourist Destination?
Seattle is on it's way to out-hippie/liberal/queer San Francisco. I foresee a dramatic rise in interest for splitting the state on November 7th.
May '11
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Haha. You were the first person I thought of when I posted this.
Run for the hills!
Dec '10
Re: Is the State of Washington About to Become the Country's Biggest Tourist Destination?
As to the original question, I don't think the libertarian (or liberal, really) paradise will come of this. The libertarian utopia is based on the belief that enough people will act wisely with their liberty to not create chaos. That only works if something else is in place to check the baser nature of humanity. Historically faith, family, and community have acted as that check. Liberals, stupidly, have done everything possible to destroy those checks. Sans the historical throttles and the state's heavy hand the place will go to hell quickly.
Apr '11
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Mr. Bildo
Haha. You were the first person I thought of when I posted this.
Run for the hills! · 8 minutes ago
You essentially beat me too it but I was going to say you Washingtonians were about to out weird Portland.
Oct '10
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BLT: Boring Little Town (from one who grew up there)
Dec '10
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J. D. Fitzpatrick
BLT: Boring Little Town (from one who grew up there) · 2 minutes ago
My dad was stationed at Whidbey in the '60s and told me before I came up here that Seattle was the world's largest farm town.
Oct '10
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The King Prawn
J. D. Fitzpatrick
BLT: Boring Little Town (from one who grew up there) · 2 minutes ago
My dad was stationed at Whidbey in the '60s and told me before I came up here that Seattle was the world's largest farm town. · 7 minutes ago
When I was growing up there, I thought, "Isn't it wonderful that Seattle is so green!" And then, after living in Chicago, Berlin, and London, I realized that gray is for cities, green is for, well, farms.
Nov '11
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The real check on it is existence. The reason you can't get stoned all day long and lay around contemplating why they call them fingers and yet they don't fing, is that you'll starve to death.
If someone is going to give you free food, free rent, free rubbers, and free heat, that pressure to aid in the perpetuation of your own life goes away.
Edited on October 18, 2012 at 9:11pmNov '11
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And I thought everybody already knew about Seattle.
Washington and Oregon both let you posses over 24 oz. of usable marijuana and over a dozen plants (for medicinal purposes).
For those of you who don't know, 24 oz. is A LOT of marijuana.
Apr '11
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Fred Cole: And I thought everybody already knew about Seattle.
Washington and Oregon both let you posses over 24 oz. of usable marijuana and over a dozen plants (for medicinal purposes).
For those of you who don't know, 24 oz. is A LOT of marijuana. · 9 minutes ago
Not sure we are quite so libertine. As I recall (having no personal knowledge) you can posses up to once ounce and only get a fine (unless you have a medical marijuana card) over an ounce is a felony.
Apr '11
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I'm not sure if this will increase or decrease property values. We shall see...
Nov '11
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1967mustangman
Fred Cole: And I thought everybody already knew about Seattle.
Washington and Oregon both let you posses over 24 oz. of usable marijuana and over a dozen plants (for medicinal purposes).
For those of you who don't know, 24 oz. is A LOT of marijuana. · 9 minutes ago
Not sure we are quite so libertine. As I recall (having no personal knowledge) you can posses up to once ounce and only get a fine (unless you have a medical marijuana card) over an ounce is a felony. · 5 minutes ago
Well, to be clear, I was talking about medical marijuana.
And when it comes to medical, yeah its that free:
Mar '12
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Does Seattle have any casinos? If not, Vegas has nothing to worry about.
Marry in Seattle. Honeymoon in Vegas!
Nov '11
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In Los Angeles, before the city cracked down, dispensaries were a boon to their local areas.
Which is worse for crime and property values?
A business with lights and security cameras or an empty store front?
Dec '10
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Fred Cole
The real check on it is existence. The reason you can't get stoned all day long and lay around contemplating why they call them fingers and yet they don't fing, is that you'll starve to death.
If someone is going to give you free food, free rent, free rubbers, and free heat, that pressure to aid in the perpetuation of your own life goes away. · 32 minutes ago
Well, duh. We must dismantle the welfare state before we can return to a more natural state of liberty. But, even sans the welfare state, the externally enforced controls (faith, family, society) on internal compulsions must still be in place or we end up in a Hobbesian war of all against all.
May '11
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Good insight, Prawn. I've made a similar point in arguing w/ ricochet libertarians about how we need to dismantle the welfare state before doing things like legalizing pot. I'm not saying it is even bad, just that if things aren't done in order, we do far more harm than good.
My wife and I voted yesterday (mail in ballots - another reason the last debate won't matter) against both of these. I just barely live East of the mountains, and sometimes I am really happy that I do.
May '11
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The King Prawn
Well, duh. We must dismantle the welfare state beforewe can return to a more natural state of liberty. But, even sans the welfare state, the externally enforced controls (faith, family, society) on internal compulsions must still be in place or we end up in a Hobbesian war of all against all. · 8 minutes ago
HAHA - I am terribly sorry for using the phrase "dismantle the welfare state" before reading this comment. That's what I get, I guess. So... maybe I should just edit that to "I concur."
Mar '11
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If they do pass, your other hypothesis will also be tested - namely, whether these two issues are truly game changers. My guess is no.
Pot is already widely consumed in all jurisdictions, and homosexuals are a tiny minority of the population who often already have many all the priviliges of marriage. Legalizing both will be symbolically novel, but I predict the practical effects will be barely noticeable.
And any federalism-loving, non-Washingtonian Ricochet member should be hoping that both of these measures pass in order to gain a data point on their effects for future debates. 50 laboratories and all that.
Edited on October 18, 2012 at 9:57pmDec '10
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Ryan M
My wife and I voted yesterday (mail in ballots - another reason the last debate won't matter) against both of these.
Kitsap mailed out ballots yesterday, so I'm giddy to get home from work today. I am such a dork.
Mar '11
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The King Prawn
Fred Cole
If someone is going to give you free food, free rent, free rubbers, and free heat, that pressure to aid in the perpetuation of your own life goes away. · 32 minutes ago
Well, duh. We must dismantle the welfare statebeforewe can return to a more natural state of liberty. But, even sans the welfare state, the externally enforced controls (faith, family, society) on internal compulsions must still be in place or we end up in a Hobbesian war of all against all.
We seem to have this exact discussion about "how far can you legalize "deviant" behavior without eliminating welfare?" in every one of these libertarian vs social conservative threads. Maybe it's time for a thread to duke the issue out once and for all?