I want to put this as plainly and clearly as possible:

  1. NPR and PBS are politically far to the left of the country that funds them. 
  2. They take money that comes from the government.
  3. They should morally and ethically strive with unswerving diligence to provide political content that is consistent with the country as a whole.
  4. Morally and ethically they should not side against any major political faction. They should recuse themselves if there is any doubt on this.
  5. NPR and PBS are morally and ethically in breach of trust with this country. They have allied themselves with  only the most left-wing part of the Democratic Party. They have done this throughout their entire history.
  6. They have allied themselves with our enemies -- both within the country and outside. They have done this throughout their entire history.
  7. Rob Long gives them the patina of respectability by lending his conservative bona-fides to them. This gives a false impression that they capitalize on when defending themselves against bias. Even if he never talked about political topics, Rob should have nothing to do with these people because they have proven to have failed in their mission as laid out at their birth.

I'm sure you all agree but, if not, then please do opine.

Comments:


Nathaniel Wright
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Nathaniel Wright

1) Are they "far" to the left...as a whole...without exception?

2) True AFAIG

3) Should they?  Why?  This is a stretch.  They "should strive with unswerving diligence to provide political content that is consistent with the country as a whole?"  No room for free will or disagreement?  Just "hive mind?"

4) Why so?  How so?  What are the moral and ethical foundations of your moral/ethical claim?

5) Breach of trust?  Who's trust?  Are they hiding bias?  Are they actively lying?

6) Allied themselves with "enemies?"  Or is it opponents?  If enemies, really? Who?  To what degree?  Have they aided and abetted known enemies of the state?  Strong language here.

7) As has been mentioned, Rob works for KCRW and not NPR/PBS.

Please expand on each of your assertions.  They hint at underlying facts not in evidence. 

When did they "seize a quasi-governmental agency?"  Wouldn't "infiltrated" be closer to accurate?

Do you really believe liberals are evil?  Or do you just think they are wrong?  Do you think there is room for cool and civil deliberative discourse among those who disagree?

Surely, you value the same things as Madison. Surely...Surely...Surely

Larry Koler
Joined
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Larry Koler
Leslie Watkins: Larry's headline is off-putting. Who am I—or any of the rest of us—to decide such a thing about anyone but ourselves?

It's just a question not a statement.

It is intended to provoke -- just so you know.

James Of England
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James Of England

This seems like a specific instance of what seems to me to be an important rule. We should try to change the world we live in, but we should accept that it is not yet changed. Just like people who believe that we should pay more taxes aren't under any real obligation to simply donate to the government, conservatives who believe in term limits but have not promised to keep them voluntarily don't have to resign after a term or two, Constitutionalists don't have to violate gun registration laws, and no one has to refuse to work for problematic media companies (that is to say, essentially all media companies). We can live in the existing world while we create the new.

Larry Koler
Joined
Jun '10
Larry Koler

NW: So, some homework for me, eh? I don't have much faith that you will read this assignment you have given me if I do respond as you haven't proven to be a diligent researcher yourself.

The points are all set there as showing my logical train of thought. If you don't agree with them, by all means you must demur. I assume that these points are the starting position for most conservatives. Sorry that you don't agree.

Do you really believe liberals are evil? Or do you just think they are wrong?

I assume you are just venting your spleen here.

Do you think there is room for cool and civil deliberative discourse among those who disagree?

There is a time for discourse and there is a time for action. Meaningful discourse was finished about 40 years ago. I'm tired of waiting for the next part.

Larry Koler
Joined
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Larry Koler
James Of England: This seems like a specific instance of what seems to me to be an important rule. We should try to change the world we live in, but we should accept that it is not yet changed. Just like people who believe that we should pay more taxes aren't under any real obligation to simply donate to the government, conservatives who believe in term limits but have not promised to keep them voluntarily don't have to resign after a term or two, Constitutionalists don't have to violate gun registration laws, and no one has to refuse to work for problematic media companies (that is to say, essentially all media companies). We can live in the existing world while we create the new. · 6 minutes ago

Very nice summation, James.

JM Hanes
Joined
Oct '10
JM Hanes

Larry Koler:

"So, first, I am saying that these entities are immoral and unethical. I just don't see that this is in dispute."

And yet is being disputed right in front of your very eyes.  

"This is why I accuse them of a breach of trust with the people of this country. This is the moral point in question."

The question you actually asked, however, was "Is Rob Long Morally Wrong to Work for NPR?"  Unless your answer was no -- contra the entire emphatically bolded case you laid out -- then you have indeed, impugned his moral character.  It's ironic to find you shying away from the obvious logic of your own argument in the same breath you are calling for high contrast and clarity.  

"He (above) denies this. I assert it."

You can pile up assertions till the cows come home, but their persuasive force is approximately zero.  

David Knights
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May '11
David Knights

Larry Koler

David Knights: Wow.  I can't believe I read thru all six pages of comments.

Surely, though, you see malfeasance as wrong. Surely, when a highly politicized faction seizes a quasi-governmental organization you would see that as wrong. Why not deal with my basic assumption that underlies my question? · 4 hours ago

There is a concept in comedy that I am sure Mr. Long can explain better than I.  The paraphrase is "You buy the premise, you buy the bit."  The problem is, I don't buy the premise, therefore addressing the question you ask is pointless.  The whole question is based on a false premise.

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Jo
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Jo

This is America. Rob Long can work anywhere he pleases. It's not anybody else's business.


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