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Here is a statistic that will warm the cockles of your heart. Public Policy Polling (PPP), a Democratic outfit, has found in its most recent poll that African-Americans in North Carolina are drifting towards Mitt Romney. In 2008, Barack Obama received ninety-five percent of the black vote in that state, and John McCain garnered a measly five percent. In this poll, Obama gets seventy-six percent and Romney gets twenty percent.

This may, of course, be a fluke, as some of the folks at PPP suspect. Or it may have to do with the state of the economy, as Glenn Reynolds intimates. I am inclined, however, to suspect the unthinkable – that it has to do with Obama’s embrace of gay marriage in the immediate aftermath of the referendum on the subject held in – yes, you guessed it!—North Carolina.

Barack Obama is part African and part Caucasian. But he is not African-American in the ordinary sense in which the category is used. He is not descended from those who were slaves on this continent. Moreover, he was not brought up within the African-American cultural milieu. My suspicion is that his hold on the African-American vote is quite tenuous. He has more in common culturally with ivy-league-educated folks like yours truly than he does with evangelical Christians of color, and they sense this fact. He may be wrong in supposing that he can fully embrace the agenda of our intellectual elite and still mesmerize African-American voters.

If so, in a completely counter-intuitive fashion, this just might be the year in which, for the first time in living memory, the Republicans begin to garner a respectable share of the African-American vote. Wouldn’t that be perplexing?

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James Of England
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Paul A. Rahe

Redneck Desi: There is no way Romney gets more than 10% of the national black vote. No Way. Obama will not get the incredibly massive turnout that he had in 2008, but a majority of african-americans will pull the lever for "their" guy even with this economy, with abandoned D.C. voucher program, gay marriage, and the general overall incompentance. 

A majority, yes. A majority would vote for any white Democrat. But 90%? I wonder. ·

He could easily fall below 90% in North Carolina, a state where Obama went out of his way to disrespect conservatives, including black conservatives, but there's no way that he drops below 90% overall.

It's worth keeping in mind that the marriage amendment was quite recent, and that generally one would expect the impact of that sort of thing to die down with time if no event renews its relevancy. Part of the problem Republicans, including African Americans, have with African American outreach is that we don't have the infrastructure to keep our messages in the public mind, so Obama's missteps are quieter than his "successes". (eg. defending id-less voting and Holder from racism, issuing "obamaphones").

Percival
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Percival

We can't know if the poll is an anomaly or not, but if Obama's percentage of support among the African-American community were to fall under 90%, the denial coming out of the MSM will reach levels that would make Walter Duranty blush.

Aaron Miller
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wmartin: .... There has been an enormous shift in favor of gay marriage among blacks in the last month, as they adjust their "deeply held moral principles" to match Obama's. 

That's not what I've witnessed among the blacks I interact with here in the Deep South. Their faith is resolute, though shallow. They are dumbstruck by the growing normalization of gay relationships... and are wary of Obama for his support of it.

Many can be sheep, yes. But they trust their pastors more than Obama.

I'm currently reading a history of the Church called Triumph by H.W. Crocker III. This bit, about the decades after Constantine's death, fits this discussion well:

.... In Gibbon's marvelous summation, the "divisions of Christianity suspended the ruin of Paganism" and the pagan "religion which had so long... been established in the Roman Empire was still revered by numerous people, less attached indeed to speculative opinion than to ancient custom." It was the strength of the Catholic Church — however embattled it now was — that it recognized that "ancient custom" had a greater claim on men's hearts than did "speculative opinion," ....

Poor black Americans generally respect, if not understand, tradition.

Paul A. Rahe
BrentB67: I can't speak to how much the NAACP represents the interests of black people that are also likely voters, but the NAACP couldn't wait to rush out and endorse Obama's SSM position.· 2 minutes ago

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for the black elite. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position.

ConservativeWanderer
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Paul A. Rahe

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for the black elite. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position. · 8 minutes ago

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for attacking conservatives. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position.

There. Fixed that for ya, Professor. :)

Paul A. Rahe

ConservativeWanderer

Paul A. Rahe

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for the black elite. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position. · 8 minutes ago

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for attacking conservatives. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position.

There. Fixed that for ya, Professor. :) · 2 minutes ago

You improved it.

ConservativeWanderer
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Paul A. Rahe

ConservativeWanderer

Paul A. Rahe

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for the black elite. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position. · 8 minutes ago

The NAACP has not represented ordinary African-Americans for a very long time. It is a lobby for attacking conservatives. You have not seen black ministers in any number lining up behind Obama's position.

There. Fixed that for ya, Professor. :) · 2 minutes ago

You improved it. · 1 minute ago

I'm honored you think so, Professor.

I've long thought of "NAACP" as an acronym for National Association for Attacking Conservative People, in my own head, at least.

Mickerbob
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Mickerbob

To "FreeWiFi's," earlier comment regarding Black Culture, I believe it can and will play a role in the November vote.  The community continues to take a dim view of the lifestyle. By the Way,  Thomas Sowell's book, "Black Rednecks, White Liberals," completely changed the way I looked at American culture, world history and the nature of man.


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Scarlet Pimpernel

"He has more in common culturally with ivy-league-educated folks like yours truly than he does with evangelical Christians of color, and they sense this fact."

Is that point made stronger if it reads: "He has more in common with elite prep school, ivy-league educated folks . . ."  That he was already on the inside track, and among the old guard, in high school puts an exclamation point on it.

And I know of at least one prominent African American minister who makes a big deal about gay marriage (or perhaps we should call it gay mirage, since it won't work), and the other social issues.

Paul A. Rahe

Scarlet Pimpernel: "He has more in common culturally with ivy-league-educated folks like yours truly than he does with evangelical Christians of color, and they sense this fact."

Is that point made stronger if it reads: "He has more in common with elite prep school, ivy-league educated folks . . ."  That he was already on the inside track, and among the old guard, in high school puts an exclamation point on it.· 3 minutes ago

It is made stronger, but I did not go to prep school -- so I could not play that card.

My bet, for what it is worth, is that there will soon be other polls confirming the PPP findings for North Carolina. Whether what is true for NC will be true elsewhere I do not know.


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Will Lord

I can’t speak for all of North Carolina, but in Durham, the black vote will once again be monolithic in support of the democrat.  The poverty caused by Obama’s policies will be of no more importance to “the community” than the previous poverty cause by FDR’s policies.  Obama says the right things.  Remember that a significantly higher percentage of black Americans are employed by state and local governments than other ethnic groups.


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Scarlet Pimpernel

Paul A. Rahe

Scarlet Pimpernel: "He has more in common culturally with ivy-league-educated folks like yours truly than he does with evangelical Christians of color, and they sense this fact."

Is that point made stronger if it reads: "He has more in common with elite prep school, ivy-league educated folks . . ."  That he was already on the inside track, and among the old guard, in high school puts an exclamation point on it.· 3 minutes ago

It is made stronger, but I did not go to prep school -- so I could not play that card.

My bet, for what it is worth, is that there will soon be other polls confirming the PPP findings for North Carolina. Whether what is true for NC will be true elsewhere I do not know. · 11 minutes ago

Fair point, but there's no need to be self-referential. 

Were Romney to nominate Powell, and were he to accept, it would really complicate things for Obama. But I surely don't trust Powell to take on the adminitrative state.

ConservativeWanderer
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Scarlet Pimpernel

Fair point, but there's no need to be self-referential. 

Were Romney to nominate Powell, and were he to accept, it would really complicate things for Obama. But I surely don't trust Powell to take on the adminitrative state. · 3 minutes ago

Wanna truly scare the pants off Obama?

Romney-Sowell 2012!

Kervinlee
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Kervinlee

Let's not overlook his address to the Congressional Black Caucus - dropping his g's in his best pose of down-home-ness and berating the CBC to "stop complainin', stop cryin'" or some such. I seem to recall that performance went over like a lead balloon. Maxine Waters was not amused, and let it be known publicly. He has done nothing for American Blacks other than to have the notable ones over to the White House to entertain him. He's as see-through as cellophane, regardless of whether you're white or black. Romney may not be loved, but the Obama train wreck has got to go. Anyone with eyes can see that.

Kervinlee
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Kervinlee
Mickerbob: To "FreeWiFi's," earlier comment regarding Black Culture, I believe it can and will play a role in the November vote.  The community continues to take a dim view of the lifestyle. By the Way,  Thomas Sowell's book, "Black Rednecks, White Liberals," completely changed the way I looked at American culture, world history and the nature of man. · 1 hour ago

Dr. Sowell just can't be beat, and "Black Rednecks, White Liberals" did the same for me. Don't forget to read Shelby Steele's "White Guilt". Another work of genius.

ConservativeWanderer
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Kervinlee

Mickerbob: To "FreeWiFi's," earlier comment regarding Black Culture, I believe it can and will play a role in the November vote.  The community continues to take a dim view of the lifestyle. By the Way,  Thomas Sowell's book, "Black Rednecks, White Liberals," completely changed the way I looked at American culture, world history and the nature of man. · 1 hour ago

Dr. Sowell just can't be beat, and "Black Rednecks, White Liberals" did the same for me. Don't forget to read Shelby Steele's "White Guilt". Another work of genius. · 1 minute ago

(sigh) Two more books for the reading pile. Maybe by 3012 I'll be caught up.

Conservative Episcopalian
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Romney should take advantage of any rumblings like this and stage a Solyndra-like moment at any of the private schools in Washington DC where poor black students were almost denied tuition because the President tried to kill it in favor of teachers unions.  One need only to watch "Waiting for Superman" once to understand the level of desperation black and Hispanic parents feel toward their children's education. A Candidate Romney championing school choice and pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of President Obama with regard to his own daughters' education would at least make people stop and think. Maybe then he could break the 90% black vote barrier.

Yeah...ok.
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Yeah...ok.

Even if Eric Holder trouble/Obamacare thrown out/Jorge Martin's release/Illinois default are all portrayed as racist events and Obama receives the same number of black votes as he did in 2008 - it will still not be enough votes for a 2nd term or to retake the House.

Tell Demetri that Barry will have plenty of flexibility after the election.

Joseph Eagar
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Joseph Eagar

I agree with Ann Coulter that courting minorities is self-defeating, though I don't take the sentiment as far as she does (I think we'll have an easier time in 5 or 10 years).  Bush tried and failed.

Republicans are fundamentally a middle-income coalition, and the middle classes among minorities are still too small for us to capture any significant share of their votes.  That will change in the future, but for now the Democratic strategy of uniting the rich and the poor against the middle class (which both hate) will continue to capture the lion's share of the minority vote.

Joseph Eagar
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Joseph Eagar

Yeah...ok.: Even if Eric Holder trouble/Obamacare thrown out/Jorge Martin's release/Illinois default are all portrayed as racist events and Obama receives the same number of black votes as he did in 2008 - it will still not be enough votes for a 2nd term or to retake the House.

Tell Demetri that Barry will have plenty of flexibility after the election. · 22 minutes ago

That was the point of Trayvon Martin, remember?  Energize African Americans over a race issue, to increase turnout.  To succeed, they'll have to bring the issue up again before the election, though I don't know how--have the Justice Department declare Zimmerman "innocent," or perhaps pressure Florida to give an innocent verdict before the election?

Edited on June 13, 2012 at 5:27am

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