“I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
I hate coming to conclusions until I’ve heard all the facts, but sometimes a piece of a story is just too irresistible to refrain from commenting about it.
Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman took the stand in his bail hearing. In a legally unnecessary apology to Trayvon’s family, he said of the boy, “I did not know if he was armed or not.”
Good grief. Why in the world would his attorneys allow him to say that?
If George didn’t know Trayvon was armed, the less reason there is to shoot him. Even if true, that didn’t have to come out now, and it only makes George look worse not better.
Certainly there are situations where an unarmed man (boy, rather) can be shot in self-defense.
However, George may have poisoned his own jury pool. If I’m the prosecution or Trayvon’s family, I’m keeping in the public ear as long as I can George’s admission that he did not know if the boy was armed, and still shot him.
The picture released today of the bloody back of George Zimmerman's head lends credibility to the claim that Trayvon banged George’s head on the ground.
Now, what I’m about to write may come from a certain cultural background, and it also may not vitiate George’s claim of self-defense, but here it goes: George Zimmerman should have taken his beating like a man and shouldn’t have shot a boy.
The facts that have come out so far (granted they could change) are that George Zimmerman targeted the boy, not the other way around. George was being a bully. If the boy started beating up the bully, then the bully should have at least expected that he could lose the fight, since the police advised him that they didn’t need him following Trayvon. That Trayvon could have kicked George’s rear-end is exactly WHY the police told him they didn’t need him to follow Trayvon.
A fair conclusion is that when George’s “neighborhood watch muscles” failed him, he cowardly went for his gun and shot an unarmed boy.
If he legitimately thought the boy was going to kill him that could change my mind. But until that evidence comes out, George Zimmerman is a punk who shot a boy he did not conclude was armed.
And he has a lousy lawyer.
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Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
That's certainly my point. While self-defense laws don't require a belief that the other guy was armed, a good lawyer never loses sight of the fact that jurors are people who weigh things not listed in Black's Law Dictionary.
George's admission that he did not conclude the boy was armed won't help him with any juror, and will hurt him with some (me for instance).
It's a net loss.
Edited on April 21, 2012 at 12:22amJul '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Tommy De Seno
Nope but you don't know what it's like to be on either end physically. For some reason I just know this, correct me if I'm wrong.
How do you know if Z didn't think he was going to die or not? Quite presumptive that this wannabe gang banger would stop with a few love taps. Silly actually. · 1 minute ago
Tryevon was a gang-banger? Did I miss this report in the media? Is this presumption a black thing? Or are hoodies as dangerous as Geraldo said they are? · 3 minutes ago
Dope...not a big deal.
Truancy....nope.
Hoodie...nope
12 items of ladies jewelry and burglary tools.....yep.
Mentioning hitting a bus driver....yep.
Teenager with tatoos...maybe.
Edited on April 21, 2012 at 7:59amMar '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
In your experience, Tommy, do racist bullies generally call the police in anticipation of their attacks?
Apr '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
DocJay
Tommy De Seno
Did that happen here? · 5 minutes ago
Nope but you don't know what it's like to be on either end physically. For some reason I just know this, correct me if I'm wrong.
How do you know if Z didn't think he was going to die or not? Quite presumptive that this wannabe gang banger would stop with a few love taps. Silly actually. · 5 minutes ago
What is the proof Martin was a wannabe gang banger? You are making assumptions into the his character for which I have seen no evidence. As far as I have heard Trayvon didn't have any criminal record or history of violence.
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
DocJay
Tommy De Seno
Did that happen here? · 5 minutes ago
Nope but you don't know what it's like to be on either end physically. For some reason I just know this, correct me if I'm wrong.
Not since finding Jesus :-)
I grew up a white boy in a post-riot City dominated by poor black kids. Use your imagination.
Racism, I learned, is not a white on black thing. TV cameras just don't show it.
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Who called him a racist?
Feb '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Tommy De Seno
Wow - a cornucopia of facts not in evidence. And stated with such certainty! ·
I disagree.
This case isn't exactly obscure.
There was an investigation and there is evidence of what happened, including witnesses.
I conclude from that exactly what I stated: Zimmerman defended himself against a deliberate unprovoked attack by a wannabe gangbanger thug.
Basically, Zimmerman drastically cut short Martin's criminal career.
Sad Panda. Or not.
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Tommy De Seno
Who called him a racist? · 0 minutes ago
A bully will definately call the police in anticipation of starting a fight - it's called an alibi.
Dec '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
In no world is talking to someone on the street grounds for having your head slammed repeatedly into the curb, which is grounds for self-defense.
There is no reason outside of prejudice to disbelieve him.
Edited on April 21, 2012 at 12:33amRe: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Xennady
Tommy De Seno
Wow - a cornucopia of facts not in evidence. And stated with such certainty! ·
I disagree.
This case isn't exactly obscure.
There was an investigation and there is evidence of what happened, including witnesses.
I conclude from that exactly what I stated: Zimmerman defended himself against a deliberate unprovoked attack by a wannabe gangbanger thug.
Basically, Zimmerman drastically cut short Martin's criminal career.
Sad Panda. Or not. · 1 minute ago
The kid had no criminal record. He made a tweet about a friend who hit a bus driver and suddenly you have him being the head of the Bloods?
Mar '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
The prosecutor might be an idiot, also.
Mar '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Tommy De Seno
Who called him a racist? · 4 minutes ago
Sorry. You must have missed it.
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
A 28 year old following a 17 year old and saying who knows what provocative things to him is grounds for that.
If Zimmerman were a pedophile, wouldn't we all be applauding Treyvon for banging his head into the ground?
Children are taught that weird looking adults following them are not to be taken lightly.
Feb '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Valiuth
What is the proof Martin was a wannabe gang banger? You are making assumptions into the his character for which I have seen no evidence. As far as I have heard Trayvon didn't have any criminal record or history of violence. ·
Are you kidding?
Multiple suspensions from school, plus getting caught with stolen property and taking a swing at a school bus driver.
That's certainly evidence of violence and he should have been rewarded with a criminal record.
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Basil Fawlty
Tommy De Seno
Who called him a racist? · 4 minutes ago
Sorry. You must have missed it. · 0 minutes ago
We'll get to it someday - when that "f'ing coon" tape is played in Court.
Edited on April 21, 2012 at 12:36amJul '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Valiuth
DocJay
Tommy De Seno
Did that happen here? · 5 minutes ago
Nope but you don't know what it's like to be on either end physically. For some reason I just know this, correct me if I'm wrong.
How do you know if Z didn't think he was going to die or not? Quite presumptive that this wannabe gang banger would stop with a few love taps. Silly actually. · 5 minutes ago
What is the proof Martin was a wannabe gang banger? You are making assumptions into the his character for which I have seen no evidence. As far as I have heard Trayvon didn't have any criminal record or history of violence. · 4 minutes ago
See above re burglary items and stolen goods. Just a guess, the facts will come out and maybe I'm wrong. Why not run? Either he had a viscous temper, a screw loose, or an image to gain. He wasn't cornered. Pulling out a gun to threaten etc if you are not in substantial enough danger is brandishing and you can be arrested for that.
Edited on April 21, 2012 at 8:13amApr '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
I don't think Tommy claimed Mr. Zimmerman was racist.
The simple fact is Mr. Zimmerman seems highly irresponsible, and his lack of responsibility directly led to the death of a 17 year old boy. The man should have called the cops, and then gone to his own home. From what I understand of neighborhood watches that is their job, to report.
What I wonder is if Mr. Zimmerman could not have used his gun simply to threaten away Trayvan? I mean if you get the gun out and the attacker freezes is it self defense to then shoot him? Or does he have to keep pressing the attack or make a reach for the gun? It would certainly help his claim to believe that attacker was armed...
Tommy is right this man is an idiot and his lawyers don't seem better.
Mar '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Tommy De Seno
Tommy De Seno
Who called him a racist? · 0 minutes ago
A bully will definately call the police in anticipation of starting a fight - it's called an alibi. · 4 minutes ago
I yield. [Comment redacted]
Edited on April 21, 2012 at 12:48amRe: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Xennady
Valiuth
What is the proof Martin was a wannabe gang banger? You are making assumptions into the his character for which I have seen no evidence. As far as I have heard Trayvon didn't have any criminal record or history of violence. ·
Are you kidding?
Multiple suspensions from school, plus getting caught with stolen property and taking a swing at a school bus driver.
That's certainly evidence of violence and he should have been rewarded with a criminal record. · 2 minutes ago
A regular Al Capone. Let's shoot him.
Whoops - Zimmerman already took care of that.
Jul '11
Re: “I did not know if he was armed or not.” That, and George Zimmerman’s Lawyer Might Be An Idiot
Tommy De Seno
A 28 year old following a 17 year old and saying who knows what provocative things to him is grounds for that.
If Zimmerman were a pedophile, wouldn't we all be applauding Treyvon for banging his head into the ground?
Children are taught that weird looking adults following them are not to be taken lightly. · 3 minutes ago
A 17 year old punk with an attitude meets a 28 year old wannabe cop with an attitude. Try that narrative.