Hillary 2012, 2.0
Our fearless co-leader Rob boldly predicted a timeline of Hillary setting up a run for president in 2012. Some things seem to be falling into place.
Today, I read that Hillary is steamed at Obama.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is fed up with President Obama and his refusal to back a no-fly zone over Libya, according to an exclusive report in The Daily.
“She’s trying to do what she can to keep things from imploding,” a Clinton insider told the online newspaper. “If you take a look at what’s on her plate as compared with what’s on the plates of previous secretary of states – there’s more going on now at this particular moment, and it’s like playing sports with a bunch of amateurs. And she doesn’t have any power.”
The tension has even spilled over into her dealings with European diplomats. French President Nicolas Sarkozy urged Clinton to press the White House for more aggressive action in Libya. Clinton replied, “There are difficulties,” according to Foreign Policy magazine.
One diplomat described Obama’s foreign policy shop as “amateur night.”
Yesterday, I read that Hillary won't accept a second term as secretary of state. Yeah, yeah, she also insisted she wouldn't run for president.
...I am doing what I want to do right now and I have no intention or any idea even of running again. I'm going to do the best I can at this job for the next two years
I wonder if this is all a set up of some sort. With the Clintons, you never know, right? Do you think she'll finish out her term? Should we still be on the lookout for the announcement of the Clintons' summer vacation plans somewhere in New Hampshire?
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Re: Hillary 2012, 2.0
Yes! It's all happening. Not exactly on my timetable, but it's happening.
Of course, she may be thinking that she'll sit out 2012 and rise again in 2016, but she'll be awfully old by then. A widow, too, probably. (And I'm not trying to be nasty, just realistic about things....)
What's clear is this: we haven't, and won't, and probably can't on some existential level, see the end of Hillary Clinton.
Dec '10
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Hello Ursula -
Just read the article before shifting over to Ricochet. Obama's little jest that “These past few weeks it’s been tough falling asleep with Hillary out there on Pennsylvania Avenue shouting, throwing rocks at the window.”
She's had to go to extremes since he won't take that 3am phone call.
Feb '11
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I will never trust the Clintons. Becoming politically aware in the early to mid 90's I will never forget who they are and how sleazy and disingenuous they can be. But from a lesser of two evils perspective, I find myself wishing more and more that the country had decided to elect the first woman president rather than the first black president. Not because I favor one identity group over another, of course, but because Hillary seems better able to field that 3am phone call that Johannes refers to than President Obama does (not necessarily satisfactorily able, but certainly better able).
Mar '11
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Hillary is no different than any other liberal, including Obama. The basic premise of liberalism is that they believe they can make things better if only they were in control. If Hillary runs, it's because she believes she would be better at command and control government than Obama is.
But she wouldn't be.
Jun '10
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There should be a big [sic] following "...previous secretary of states...", which should read ... previous secretaries of state.
Feb '11
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Gridiron Club Dinner,
She's had to go to extremes since he won't take that 3am phone call. · Mar 17 at 10:05am
That was the President's joke at the Gridiron Club Dinner, he's trying to sleep and Hillary is up throwing stones at his window. Many would not think the situation is laughable, but his response all too predicable.
Jun '10
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Bill Clinton will only be 70 in 2016. He seems to be taking care of his health. The probability of his being shot climbing out a bedroom window is obviated by his Secret Service detail, so I like his chances.
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Hillary says that she is not interested, but I have never believed that. As I put it back in November -- http://biggovernment.com/prahe/2010/11/03/hillarys-date-with-destiny/ -- there is an affair in the tides of men. My view is that for her it is now or never. She needs to seize an occasion on which she can resign over a matter of principle, fall silent for a few weeks, and then announce that she is running to save her party.
That said, the fix is in. Obama has changed the rules so that it will be virtually impossible to oust a sitting President. If he showed the same enthusiasm for defending our interests that he has shown in pursuing his own, . . .
UPDATE: Instead of oust, I should have said deny the party nomination to. I apologize for being unclear.
Edited on Mar 17, 2011 at 2:30pmMar '11
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Paul A. Rahe: Hillary says that she is not interested, but I have never believed that. As I put it back in November -- http://biggovernment.com/prahe/2010/11/03/hillarys-date-with-destiny/ -- there is an affair in the tides of men. My view is that for her it is now or never. She needs to seize an occasion on which she can resign over a matter of principle, fall silent for a few weeks, and then announce that she is running to save her party.
That said, the fix is in. Obama has changed the rules so that it will be virtually impossible to oust a sitting President. If he showed the same enthusiasm for defending our interests that he has shown in pursuing his own, . . . · Mar 17 at 1:14pm
In what fashion has Obama changed the rules so that it will be virtually impossible to oust a sitting President? He sure appears vulnerable to me.
Aug '10
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In this comment I mentioned 3 criteria that Hillary had to meet to make this happen.
1. Democratic losses in November 2010.
2. Something significant had to happen for Hillary to resign in protest on a principled difference with the administration - Like this. Apparently there is a move to blame Hillary for the debacle in Libya. (H/T to Paul for his article mentioned above)
3. It had to occur in a narrow window which is between Nov 2010 and Jan 2012 (H/T Paul and Rob). Look at what Hot Air is saying today...
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James Pier
Paul A. Rahe: . . . the fix is in. Obama has changed the rules so that it will be virtually impossible to oust a sitting President. If he showed the same enthusiasm for defending our interests that he has shown in pursuing his own, . . . · Mar 17 at 1:14pm
In what fashion has Obama changed the rules so that it will be virtually impossible to oust a sitting President? He sure appears vulnerable to me. · Mar 17 at 1:25pm
He lost to Hillary in the primaries, where they divided the delegates, and won the caucuses which were winner-take-all. He has changed the rules so that, where there are caucuses, the delegates are also divided in proportion to each candidate's support. This makes a sitting President virtually invincible.
In the general election, if the Republicans nominate a candidate who is not a corpse, Obama is vulnerable. What chance do you think that the Republicans will nominate someone who is, ahem, undead?
Re: Hillary 2012, 2.0
Instugator: In this comment I mentioned 3 criteria that Hillary had to meet to make this happen.
1. Democratic losses in November 2010.
2. Something significant had to happen for Hillary to resign in protest on a principled difference with the administration - Like this. Apparently there is a move to blame Hillary for the debacle in Libya. (H/T to Paul for his article mentioned above)
3. It had to occur in a narrow window which is between Nov 2010 and Jan 2012 (H/T Paul and Rob). Look at what Hot Air is saying today... · Mar 17 at 1:55pm
I just sent a piece to www.biggovernment.com on this. I am hoping that they post it tomorrow.It is, I believe, now or never for the Clintons.
Jul '10
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Refresh my memory, what has she accomplished at State to support a Presidential run? A reset button?
Aug '10
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http://www.newsweek.com/2011/03/13/my-favorite-mistake-james-carville.html
Pure coincidence that Clintonite Carville has popped up with this? Clintons don't do coincidence.
Edited on Mar 17, 2011 at 5:32pmAug '10
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Paul A. Rahe
I just sent a piece to www.biggovernment.com on this. I am hoping that they post it tomorrow.It is, I believe, now or never for the Clintons. · Mar 17 at 2:38pm
Not quite yet, for this reason.
The severity of the problem for the 'principled resignation' to take place. We have to have a bad outcome in Libya or elsewhere which can be laid at the feet of Pres. O. His filling out his brackets while Japan and Libya burn gives this time more importance, but those outcomes aren't decided.
Vacationing in Rio when the Libyan revolt fails - closer, but the principle has to be clear. It would also help if there were some domestic crises (government shutdown?) which his failure of leadership makes happen.
Hillary can win if she shows that Obama lacks leadership to Dem Primary voters. Internationally, I think this is demonstrated (Gitmo, Afghanistan, Everything else), but she also needs a domestic reason - using a government shutdown against Obama will also mean that it can't be used against Republicans - her messaging must be crystal clear on this.
Plus she must account for voter attention span. This argues for later.
Jun '10
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I pray she takes him on. The best way to rid ourselves of an incumbent president is a primary fight against the incumbent. Please, Hilary, please!