Rob Long · Nov 3, 2010 at 10:29am
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Just a reminder: the "Headlines" tab right next to the "All Conversations" tab leads to a page that's got all of the day's big headlines. Feel free to head over there to comment on a news item -- on a busy news day like today, sometimes that might be a more efficient and interesting way to get a conversation going.

Any headline that seems to be generating a bigger conversation will get quickly moved to this page, the main feed, for everyone to participate in.

As I said, there's lots going on today. Lots to talk about.

Like, for instance, that it looks like Lisa Murkowski wins in Alaska.

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Kenneth
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Kenneth

Re: Murkowski, I don't have a television, so I haven't heard this morning's spin, but surely we are going to hear a lot about how the marquee Tea Party candidates - Miller, O'Donnell, Angle and, presumably, Buck - failed miserably.

This will be spun to mean the Tea Party has no teeth. I say it just means the Tea Party did a lousy job with candidate selection.

And by the way, "kingmaker" Palin endorsed 3 out of 4 of those failed candidates.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

I feel like an idiot. More than usual, I mean. I just realized, after you posted this, that when you said to comment, you didn't mean go to the original site, but Ricochet allows you to comment On Ricochet about the news story.

Duh.

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

It's never too early to think about the Senate in 2012. Thanks to wikipedia, here are the seats that will be contested:

Democratic seats

Feinstein California

Carper Delaware

Nelson Florida

Akaka Hawaii

Cardin Maryland

Stabenow Michigan

Klobuchar Minnesota

McCaskill Missouri

Tester Montana

Nelson Nebraska

Menendez NJ

Bingaman NM

Gillibrand NY

Kent Conrad ND

Brown Ohio

Casey Pennsylvania

Whitehouse RI

Webb Virginia

Cantwell Washington

Manchin WV

Kohl Wisconsin

Independents

Lieberman Connecticut

Sanders Vermont

Republican seats

Kyl Arizona

Lugar Indiana

Snowe Maine

Brown Massachusetts

Wicker Mississippi

Ensign Nevada

Corker Tennessee

Hutchison Texas

Hatch Utah

Barrasso Wyoming

Of the R seats, I would put only the Brown seat in danger (Massachusetts being what it is)--maybe Ensign in Nevada, but looks like he's OK. Lieberman and Sanders stay. Of the D seats, I would put the seats in Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, ND, and Ohio as real possibilities for the Republicans. In WV, Manchin had better vote like a Republican. Depending on the situation, you can't rule out a run at California if Feinstein retires (Fiorina anyone), NM, Pa, and Va.

Would love to know what the experts think.

Edited on Nov 3, 2010 at 10:55am
Whiskey Sam
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Whiskey Sam

Kenneth: Re: Murkowski, I don't have a television, so I haven't heard this morning's spin, but surely we are going to hear a lot about how the marquee Tea Party candidates - Miller, O'Donnell, Angle and, presumably, Buck - failed miserably.

This will be spun to mean the Tea Party has no teeth. I say it just means the Tea Party did a lousy job with candidate selection.

And by the way, "kingmaker" Palin endorsed 3 out of 4 of those failed candidates. · Nov 3 at 10:38am

Excellent points, Kenneth. This is exactly why the Tea Party needs to be willing to work with the GOP establishment to choose better candidates and to run smarter campaigns. Candidates need to be thoroughly vetted before the primary without support blindly being thrown to them because they support Policy X. Every single one of those races were winnable, and hopefully some lessons were learned that we can build on in two years.

crizzyboo
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crizzyboo

I'm from California. Today I'm walking around like a bombed-out shell... what on earth will it take for that state to wake up? I'm trying all kinds of mental tricks to keep me sane - the one that works best is knowing that Jerry Brown will own the bankruptcy, although that's sure to be spun as belonging to somebody or something else. I can't take this anymore.

Thanks to the failed Democrat policies that taxed the film industry right out of the state, I'm temporarily in Canada for a job and don't have to watch my tax dollars feeding Sacramento. So there's one silver lining for me, I guess...

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

crizzyboo: I'm from California. Today I'm walking around like a bombed-out shell... what on earth will it take for that state to wake up? I'm trying all kinds of mental tricks to keep me sane - the one that works best is knowing that Jerry Brown will own the bankruptcy, although that's sure to be spun as belonging to somebody or something else. I can't take this anymore.

Thanks to the failed Democrat policies that taxed the film industry right out of the state, I'm temporarily in Canada for a job and don't have to watch my tax dollars feeding Sacramento. So there's one silver lining for me, I guess... · Nov 3 at 11:05am

Welcome.

Good Berean
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Good Berean

Kenneth: Re: Murkowski, I don't have a television, so I haven't heard this morning's spin, but surely we are going to hear a lot about how the marquee Tea Party candidates - Miller, O'Donnell, Angle and, presumably, Buck - failed miserably.

This will be spun to mean the Tea Party has no teeth. I say it just means the Tea Party did a lousy job with candidate selection.

And by the way, "kingmaker" Palin endorsed 3 out of 4 of those failed candidates. · Nov 3 at 10:38am

Kenneth, I'm surprised at you. We do not have a parliamentary system The Tea Party did not select the candidates. The so-called "tea party candidates" may have been encouraged, supported and inspired by the Tea Party, but were, for the most part Republicans. Most were long shots, I agree. Some are from the fringe. But there was a dearth of electable non establishment Republican candidates in the primary races.

The media will spin this the way the media does. The Tea Party is a fiction anyway. It is a phenomenon that happened to coalesce around the phrase.

EJHill
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EJHill
Whiskey Sam ... the Tea Party needs to be willing to work with the GOP establishment to choose better candidates and to run smarter campaigns.

Or is it the other way around? The Tea Party folks had no real seat at the table. After Bob Bennett fell in the Utah nominating process the GOP elites moaned and whined and did nothing, passing it off as an aberration. That was May 8th. A month later Sharron Angle wins the GOP primary in Nevada. What did or didn't the GOP do in that month to head that off? Or did they do nothing until it was too late like they did in Delaware?

Whiskey Sam
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Whiskey Sam

tabula rasa:

and Va.

Edited on Nov 03 at 10:55 am

Webb is beatable in VA. Our state offices went GOP last year, and we did well in this year's congressional races. That doesn't bode well for Webb. I'd like to see George Allen take him on again.

Whiskey Sam
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Whiskey Sam

EJHill

Or is it the other way around? The Tea Party folks had no real seat at the table. After Bob Bennett fell in the Utah nominating process the GOP elites moaned and whined and did nothing, passing it off as an aberration. That was May 8th. A month later Sharron Angle wins the GOP primary in Nevada. What did or didn't the GOP do in that month to head that off? Or did they do nothing until it was too late like they did in Delaware? · Nov 3 at 11:12am

You are completely right that both sides made mistakes. Both the establishment and the grassroots need to listen to each other and work together. The GOP was complacent and needed to be jolted to attention by the Tea Party, but then the Tea Party decided it knew everything about everything and dismissed all criticism as "elitism". At the state and Representative level, it worked well because local movements were able to tap strong local candidates, but the Senate races required more broadly appealing, statewide candidates. The antagonism between establishment and upstarts proved costly there.


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