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Mitch Noyes

I could do without making Mark Levin and Rush the face of conservatism.

Blake
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Blake
Mitch Noyes: I could do without making Mark Levin and Rush the face of conservatism. · 7 minutes ago

Agreed.  That was jarring, and it immediately destroyed any persuasive credibility the video had with neutral viewers -- not because Hannity/Levin/Rush are inherently non-credible to neutrals, but just because it gives the impression that being a conservative means agreeing with talk radio hosts on everything.

Also, they spelled coercion wrong (they spelled it "coersion"). 

Other than that, good video.

Edited on November 1, 2012 at 5:24pm
The King Prawn
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The King Prawn
Mitch Noyes: I could do without making Mark Levin and Rush the face of conservatism. · 7 minutes ago

Funny how even conservatives flinch at the mention of some our own people. The left has been very effective at demonizing the right. I don't know how we get back to a middling position on it. Perhaps espousing the arguments without appeals to authority will work.

George Savage

I wish the producer spelled "coersion" [sic] correctly, but that is nit-picking.  Excellent video.  I hope some members of the YouTube generation stumble across it and are sufficiently intrigued to do more research.

ThePullmanns
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Mar '12
ThePullmanns

There was also an incorrect "it's" (should have been "its). I found the video inspiring, but was not sure it would "convert" anyone both for the Rush/Hannity/Levin reasons others have noted, but also because the effective beginning contrast of President Obama's words and deeds didn't transition smoothly into a principled alternative. The alternative is demonized righty pundits? I feel an undecided or nonpolitical person would get off the train at about that point. 

P.S. This is Joy. Sometimes I forget to sign which of is is posting.

Edited on November 1, 2012 at 5:25pm
Mike Hinton
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Michael Hinton

The King Prawn

Mitch Noyes: I could do without making Mark Levin and Rush the face of conservatism. · 7 minutes ago

Funny how even conservatives flinch at the mention of some our own people. The left has been very effective at demonizing the right. I don't know how we get back to a middling position on it. Perhaps espousing the arguments without appeals to authority will work. · 8 minutes ago

Totally agree. Not to mention, whatever the merits of talk radio, we should be appealing to intellectual rather than populous voices. Show people why our positions are rigorous and correct instead of emotionally stating what many on our side believe are truisms and no longer require proof. There are a lot of people out there to whom our beliefs are not self-evident.

Stephen Bishop
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Stephen Bishop

Reagan was a good man.

Rob Long

Michael Hinton

The King Prawn

Mitch Noyes: I could do without making Mark Levin and Rush the face of conservatism. · 7 minutes ago

Funny how even conservatives flinch at the mention of some our own people. The left has been very effective at demonizing the right. I don't know how we get back to a middling position on it. Perhaps espousing the arguments without appeals to authority will work. · 8 minutes ago

Totally agree. Not to mention, whatever the merits of talk radio, we should be appealing to intellectual rather than populous voices. Show people why our positions are rigorous and correct instead of emotionally stating what many on our side believe are truisms and no longer require proof. There are a lot of people out there to whom our beliefs are not self-evident. · 37 minutes ago

I agree.  I mean, I admire them both a lot, but it seemed jarring.  

J.Voss
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J.Voss

The problems with the video aside, did anyone else get a little choked up?  Perhaps I am just overly emotional today, but the clips from the 'Time for Choosing' speech really got me.

I would say that generally I agree that Levin/Hannity/Rush weren't great choices.  I think Medved/Prager and someone else would have been a better, less controversial, choice.

Melanie Graham

Well, boy, you people are such sticklers. I'm not sure who made the video or why they chose to include those radio hosts. I still think it is very good. So there. 


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johnak

Mark Levin has articulated the conservative position brilliantly (intellectually) in his recent books.  Rush Limbaugh is a giant among conservatives and he espouses consistent, straightforward conservative positions.  People know them because they are out in the media and often stirring things up.  On the other hand there are many conservative that offer intellectually brilliant arguments but they reach the few rather than the many.  

Personally, I find that conservatives have spent too much time back their heels.  In recent years new conservative voices, like Breitbart,  have gone on offense and challenged the left aggressively and relentlessly.  These conservatives use straightforward and easily understood principles to take on and expose the hypocrisy, corruption, and wrong-headedness of the left on a daily basis in real time.  I think conservatives need to consistently and aggressively lean into the arena of ideas in the culture, and a simple intellectual tool bag can go a long way in that effort.  And sometimes showing that our positions are rigorous and correct requires calling bullsh*t when we see it, it requires passion, and sometimes outrage.  

Edited on November 1, 2012 at 6:45pm
Lavaux
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Lavaux

This video makes my heart soar every time I see it (I've seen it three times).

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn
J.Voss: The problems with the video aside, did anyone else get a little choked up?  Perhaps I am just overly emotional today, but the clips from the 'Time for Choosing' speech really got me.

At least annually someone posts a video of the speech on the member feed. No one ever complains about seeing it again.

concerned citizen
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concerned citizen

Wow!  Wow.  With the exception of the misspelling of 'coercion', this is outstanding.   We need to get this out, out beyond the choir seats.

I have avoided putting up anything political on facebook (well, besides 'liking' Romney, and also Ryan for VP).   I hardly ever use facebook anyway, and I myself don't appreciate others who assault me with all politics, all the time, when I do go on there.  Anyway, so despite my strong opinions I have never done a political post there.  This video may just find itself on my facebook page today....


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ChuckMenoFalls

It's a great video at inspiring those who were likely planning to vote conservative. In addition to being too long, this could not likely convince an undecided.

I'm sure I'm being overly critical but the video presents itself as being produced t0 achieve two separate, unrelated goals.  Perhaps some advice for the next iteration of aspiring videographers.

The problem statement starts strong, focusing on the problem and his policies - a specific focus on the president.  The solution is opened with a great description of conservative principles from Levin, which is fine - it works.   But the first images shown are Limbaugh, Hannity, and Levin.   It's this type of imagery that supports the false canard of Limbaugh as the leader of the republican party.  

The message needs to focus on an actual solution to mitigate Obama, not 3 guys who spend an entire day complaining about him.   The Reagan clips were great.  Why show Sowell or Uncle Milty but let us hear from Rush.   Why no comments from Romney and Ryan.  Especially Ryan.   I think it's a bit problematic when the conservative government type quoted left office 20 years ago, with content delivered almost 50 years ago.

Edited on November 1, 2012 at 7:37pm
R. Craigen
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R. Craigen

When whoever composed this video puts up a version with the two typos corrected, please someone repost a link.  Yes there could have been better choices as "the face of conservatism" for parts of this video.  I personally don't watch Rush and rarely listen to Levin except when I'm feeling scrappy, because they are so abrasive.  But the voices here saying that we've got to stand up for conservatives whose only real crime is articulating conservative positions on issues ... are absolutely correct.  I actually dealt with this recently -- a liberal colleague and I got into a massive back-and-forth email communication about American politics and I sent him something with Coulter in it.  He said he couldn't take it seriously because it was Coulter speaking.  (I presume not everyone would want her as the face of conservatism either because of her abrasive style.)  I think this silencing of conservative voices on such basis is a form of bullying, and we must not put up with it.  Don't take this from libs.  Ask for a clear demonstration of what is wrong with what they are saying.  Demand judgement on the basis of content, not style.


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Mimi

Riveting.  I think the video would inspire individuals who are ready to move away from the current liberal groupthink as messaged by the MSM, Obama, Axelrod, et al.  There must be  a lot of disappointed people who would love to have a special invitation to conservative thinking.  I am very happy with this video.

merumsal
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Aug '10
merumsal

Goodness!  Instant hand wringing whenever Rush or Levin or Hannity are brought up.  (And let us not speak of Sarah P . . . .)

I wish Thomas Sowell had their audience.  Well, he did at least twice this year when he co-hosted parts of Rush's show with Walter E. Williams.  Sowell didn't seem embarrassed of Rush.

I like 'em all, from Mamet to Levin, even the one I don't listen to (Hannity).

This video was sent to me a week ago and I still love it, even with its few imperfections.  I even wrote to the producer to tell him how much I like it.

Thanks, Melanie, for sharing it with Ricochet.

Sheila S.
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Nov '10
Sheila S.

I saw it for the first time this afternoon.  I thought it was wonderful.  I did take note of the fact that the people/person who put the video together made a point of putting the most controversial conservatives front and center.  I thought that was okay, actually.  I think that if I was a moderate disenchanted with the liberal lines, this video would make me curious...maybe even curious enough to do some research.

I loved it!

Cornelius Julius Sebastian
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Cornelius Julius Sebastian

STRONG!


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