Go, Anonymous!
Claire Berlinski, Ed. ·
December 8, 2011 at 2:20am
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Jul '10
Re: Go, Anonymous!
They had me right up until the Guy Fawkes mask. Fawkes was stopped from committing an atrocity by blowing up Parliament at the session opening ceremonies with the King and his court present. If that figure has a different meaning in Turkey I will withdraw the suggestion, but I suspect they have picked it up from the movie based on Alan Moore's hideous V for Vendetta comic book mini-series with a bomber/murderer "protagonist".
I would urge them to choose another symbol. It undermines an important message.
Edited on December 8, 2011 at 2:38amDec '10
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Sisyphus: They had me right up until the Guy Fawkes mask. Fawkes was stopped from committing an atrocity by blowing up Parliament at the session opening ceremonies with the King and his court present. If that figure has a different meaning in Turkey I will withdraw the suggestion, but I suspect they have picked it up from the movie based on Alan Moore's hideous V for Vendetta comic book mini-series with a bomber/murderer "protagonist".
I would urge them to choose another symbol. It undermines an important message. · Dec 7 at 5:37pm
Edited on Dec 07 at 05:38 pm
That is what it used to mean. Symbols change meaning over time. The Swastika is a perfect example. The V of Vendetta Comic graphic novel and movie changed the meaning of the Guy Fawkes masks as strongly as the Naxi changed the meaning of the Swastika.
I have my issues with Anonymous but I am with them on this one.
Mar '11
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Sisyphus: They had me right up until the Guy Fawkes mask. Fawkes was stopped from committing an atrocity by blowing up Parliament at the session opening ceremonies with the King and his court present. If that figure has a different meaning in Turkey I will withdraw the suggestion, but I suspect they have picked it up from the movie based on Alan Moore's hideous V for Vendetta comic book mini-series with a bomber/murderer "protagonist".
I would urge them to choose another symbol. It undermines an important message. · Dec 7 at 5:37pm
Edited on Dec 07 at 05:38 pm
You are certainly correct in your criticism but miss in your application. For any of us working in information tech the reality of Anonymous has become fairly clear, they are an anarchist movement. The goals of any individual member can be anything or nothing, the only true taboo is organization and consistency. A better suggestion would be to disassociate from this, for lack of a better term, collective.
Edited on December 8, 2011 at 2:54amMay '10
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Oh, they're for sure anarchists Sisyphus (as is Alan Moore). But if you remember this post, Claire had a while back, they've also targeted the Iranian government. They're not all bad.
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I'm not sure they're a "they." It seems to be a language of protest. Some of the things to which the (disparate) protesters draw attention are very worthy of the attention. This one is, for sure.
Mar '11
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Nyadnar17
Sisyphus: I would urge them to choose another symbol. It undermines an important message.
That is what it used to mean. Symbols change meaning over time. The Swastika is a perfect example. The V of Vendetta Comic graphic novel and movie changed the meaning of the Guy Fawkes masks as strongly as the Naxi changed the meaning of the Swastika. I have my issues with Anonymous but I am with them on this one.
If the symbol has changed from the goals of a man wishing to restore Catholic monarchy it has not been a change for the better. Wether he would be pleased or not Mr. Fawkes visage is the preferred form for Anarchists. As you would say, the original meaning no longer matters.
Nov '11
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Can someone direct me to a place where I can read about Fethullah Gulen on the internet that doesn't involve conspiracy theories? Or is this not possible?
Mar '11
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Well some background if you like, one of their more significant episodes:
Anonymous to security firm working with FBI: "You've angered the hive"
There are many others, from kids upset over video games to just about anything you can imagine. As you say, some even worthy of attention. Anarchists, they can be for or against pretty much anything.
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Try this.
Aug '10
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So where is your megaphone the loudest ? Have you reached more people in this week so far than you expected ? How does Turkey get away with it ? Is brutality relative to culture ?
Mar '11
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Anonymous are not the good guys. Even bad guys can do something right from time to time. At their core, they have a mob mentality. "We do not forgive"... threats are a big part of their MO.
Jul '10
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Then it is a fair text from a foul source. I have no truck with Alan Moore or anarchists. It is a fine day when their bombs go off in their basements and take them, and only them, with. There have been ferals on the web since there was a web. On the rare occasion I have helped put some away.
Jul '10
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Hezbollah runs free health clinics. We supposed to cheer for them too?
Apr '11
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Satan as an angel of light? The Gadarene swine?
Aug '11
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Anonymous is as anonymous does.
No one is anonymous in this day and age.
Everyone is anonymous in this day and age.
(But seriously, the people who make those moronic masks deserve to go the way of the coonskin cap.)
(Yes, I realize the coonskin had a brief revival in the age of black and white movies, but after that it went away again, at least for another hundred years.)
Apr '11
Re: Go, Anonymous!
Nyadnar17
Sisyphus: They had me right up until the Guy Fawkes mask. Fawkes was stopped from committing an atrocity by blowing up Parliament at the session opening ceremonies with the King and his court present. If that figure has a different meaning in Turkey I will withdraw the suggestion, but I suspect they have picked it up from the movie based on Alan Moore's hideous V for Vendetta comic book mini-series with a bomber/murderer "protagonist".
I would urge them to choose another symbol. It undermines an important message. ·
That is what it used to mean. Symbols change meaning over time. The Swastika is a perfect example. The V of Vendetta Comic graphic novel and movie changed the meaning of the Guy Fawkes masks as strongly as the Naxi changed the meaning of the Swastika.
I have my issues with Anonymous but I am with them on this one. ·
Symbols change, but what, if successful, would have been the worst terrorist atrocity in history is not trivial or meaningless today. The newly overlaid symbol is also a celebration of violence, from a classically fascist film. Decent people should have nothing to do with them that is not condemnatory.
Apr '11
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"We are Legion."
Seems to me I've heard of someone else identifying himself that way somewhere before.
Apr '11
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Herkybird: "We are Legion."
Seems to me I've heard of someone else identifying himself that way somewhere before. · Dec 8 at 5:23am
Exactly. Identifying yourself with demons, terrorists, and psychopathic thugs should not be a path to conservative sympathy. Having one's raison d'etre being blackmail, threats, and abuse shouldn't either. Particularly not when so many of one's targets are attacked for being pro-American and capitalist. If we cheer people on because they mix their attacks on the virtuous and innocent with the occasional attack on villainous targets, we should celebrate tsunamis and earthquakes, which likewise do not spare the vile. Heck, the odds suggest that 9/11 took down some pretty ugly criminals, adulterers, and benefits cheats.
Aug '10
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I am compelled to defend Alan Moore's original V For Vendetta graphic novel, which is far, FAR more nuanced than the excremental movie of the same name.
In the graphic novel, the fictional fascist government is only able to come to power because Margaret Thatcher LOSES her election, and the victorious Labour government removes all nuclear weapons from the British arsenal. This removes the deterrent that was keeping the Soviet Union from starting World War III.
In other words, rather than being an allegory about the Thatcher government as many people claim, the original V For Vendetta actually praises the Thatcher government by theorizing about what might have happened if she had never become Prime Minister.
Yes, Alan Moore is an anarchist and a weirdo, but his original V For Vendetta is a compelling, dense, and complicated work of literature.
Mar '11
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Misthiocracy: I am compelled to defend Alan Moore's original V For Vendetta graphic novel, which is far, FAR more nuanced than the excremental movie of the same name.
In the graphic novel, the fictional fascist government is only able to come to power because Margaret Thatcher LOSES her election, and the victorious Labour government removes all nuclear weapons from the British arsenal. This removes the deterrent that was keeping the Soviet Union from starting World War III.
In other words, rather than being an allegory about the Thatcher government as many people claim, the original V For Vendetta actually praises the Thatcher government by theorizing about what might have happened if she had never become Prime Minister.
Yes, Alan Moore is an anarchist and a weirdo, but his original V For Vendetta is a compelling, dense, and complicated work of literature. · Dec 8 at 8:05am
You make it sound like he was actually praising Thatcher in a backhanded kind of way, and he wasn't. Moore simply thinks that all organized governments are inevitably heading towards fascism of one kind or another. He was pretty vocal about his anti-Tory feelings during the 80's.