Girl Scouts Now Open to Boys?
I love my Thin Mints as much as the next guy, but I never considered that "the next guy" might actually be the one selling them to me.
After initially making the decision that he couldn't join the Girl Scouts of Colorado, the group has since decided that it will allow 7-year-old Bobby Montoya to join because he is "living life like a girl."
In one fell swoop, in both a seemingly politically correct and incorrect line of reasoning, the Girl Scouts of Colorado has both said that there is and isn't a difference between boys and girls. They've essentially looked the other way on gender to admit Bobby into the group, but then used a standard for determining between a boy and a girl to deliberate the difference.
Here's the important snippets of the official statement:
"Girl Scouts is an inclusive organization and we accept all girls in Kindergarten through 12th grade as members. If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout... In this case, an associate delivering our program was not aware of our approach... We are accelerating our support systems and training so that we're better able to serve all girls, families and volunteers."
This, of course, chooses to ignore how they will "better [be] able to serve all girls, families and volunteers" who are involved because it is "the world's preeminent organization dedicated solely to girls." That last quotation is how the Girl Scouts of the USA describes itself. It's compromised not just a core value, but its entire definition.
It's fitting that Dennis Prager touched on this sort of issue when he said that liberalism is compromising principle for feeling. The organization felt for Bobby and his mother (who, in the video, asks "What's the big deal" if he's a boy and wants to join) and has therefore abandoned what it was that made the Girl Scouts an important institution for young girls everywhere.
The Girl Scouts will celebrate its 100th anniversary next year and, coincidently, the state of Colorado is seeking to create a special license plate to honor the occasion. What's the point? The message doesn't reflect the reality of commemorating a century of empowering girls, particularly in the state now. But, as we saw, it's no longer about actually "being" what you are, but just "living like" it.
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Jul '11
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So if a girl was living her life like a boy would she be excluded? Or are they just excluding boys who act like boys?
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This same issue caused a storm of controversy in my college sorority. The debate was over whether the sisters felt comfortable admitting a male to female transgender student to our sorority. The house was split evenly. Ultimately, the student was not admitted to the house, but for different reasons than "her" gender identity.
I was very saddened to recently learn that this individual passed away last year. Hers was a hard, sad, lonely path.
Jun '10
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One thing seems clear: Boy Scouts is not the same as Girl Scouts. Each to his (or her) own.
Dec '10
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The words "Boy" and "Girl" are unpopular with our political class anyway, so let's just merge them into a single organization called 'Scouts'.
Now, I know that there might be some uptight old squares here on Ricochet who find this objectionable. But lemme tell you, back when I was a Boy Scout, I would have liked this idea a whole lot. In fact, I might have even agreed to wear a dress once in a while if it meant that girls could come on our campouts.
Edited on October 28, 2011 at 9:34pmNov '10
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Girl Scouts has been completely out to lunch for a long time.
I was told recently that our hospital records patient "gender" entirely based on "how someone is living their life" (excuse poor pronoun agreement). Which means that we can have pregnant men and women with prostate cancer. Surely nothing can be more ridiculous than to have to make doctors guess about what illnesses a patient may be at risk for.
Oct '10
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There was a fellow in another department at the firm a number of years ago going through the transgender process. Consider first, this guy was the size of an NFL linebacker and carried himself as a linebacker would. Secondly, everyone either gave him a wide berth and or provided high levels of tolerance. When one speaks of tolerance, that is based on some of the unreasonable demands by this soul. After a time all concerned parted ways peacefully.
Have to admit one is a little old fashioned here, still tolerant and try to keep and open mind. Some things today just do set well in the overall value systems. Strange to me.
May '10
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The news video linked here interviews mom - I wonder, is this boy's father in the home? No info one way or the other but, I can guess.
I'm sorry, but by my lights this is child abuse by parental neglect. Abetted by the cotton-headed dopes at the Girl Scouts of Colorado who cave in to this sort of idiocy.
Apr '11
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It makes the Girl Scouts' long-standing support for contraception and abortion seem prescient.
Jul '10
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When a society is so in denial of reality that it can no longer determine gender, we have descended into madness. If we cannot even be honest with ourselves about fundamentally who we are, we have no hopes of knowing who we are as a polity, and what course we should set for policy. This is yet another example of our culture subsuming logic and fact with maudlin emotionalism and winding up in lunacy devoid of meaning.
Edited on October 28, 2011 at 10:21pmMar '11
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Fantastic opening line.
May '10
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One of these days, we conservatives are going to wise up and turn the Left's logic back on themselves. We could start here and send all our more aggressively conservative boys, with all their rude masculinity, to sign up for Girl Scouts. Then we could demand that the glass ceiling for age be shattered. Line up a bunch of middle-aged men to demand membership. (I'd volunteer, but, hey, I've got a job and family to take care of).
Are campus religious groups being hassled because transsexual atheists want to officers of the club? Fine; send the College Republicans to out-vote the members of whichever silly group is the left-wing flavor of this month.
Is your town like mine (Ann Arbor), with a pathetic contingent of a half-dozen or so participants in OWS? Send 10 bored conservative bachelors over to make interminable speeches lifted from Ricochet podcast transcripts. Call it OOWS: Occupy Occupy Wall Street.
Like I said, I'd do it all myself, but I have a life.
Edited on October 28, 2011 at 10:59pmMay '10
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Kervinlee: The news video linked here interviews mom - I wonder, is this boy's father in the home? No info one way or the other but, I can guess.
I'm sorry, but by my lights this is child abuse by parental neglect. Abetted by the cotton-headed dopes at the Girl Scouts of Colorado who cave in to this sort of idiocy. ·
I agree. What 7 year old decides he wants to live life as a girl? One without a father in the home or even a good male role model (a grandfather or uncle...), and who has a messed-up mother. This poor kid has a rough road ahead of him, thanks to her.
Oct '10
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Per usual the decadents push and the "defenders of the culture" back up and cave in. We are still taking the path of least resistance and they are pushing as hard as they can.
When will we begin to learn what they already know. This is a fight to the death. They want to kill us (figuratively) and we want to coexist.
Jul '10
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From the original story:
"Bobby identifies as a girl, and he's a boy," Felisha Archuleta, Bobby's mom, said. "He's been doing this since he was about 2 years old. He's loved girl stuff, so we just let him dress how he wants, as long as he's happy."
Sure, because if his choices from ages two to seven make him happy at the time they'll certainly work for him later. Toddlers should be choosing their own meal plans too.
Corey Barrett with the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Community Center of Colorado says the Center is seeing young people exploring their gender identity at an earlier age.
"There has definitely been this increase of questioning at an early age," Barrett said, "I think it's all about providing a healthy environment for them for that to happen. Everyone needs to be prepared or at least have an idea from a policy and procedure stand point how they're going to address that."
I suggest a policy of: Hell no! Are you crazy? Why would you do that to a little kid? What is wrong with you?
Apr '11
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When my son (who's now 38) was in second grade, he wanted to be Wonder Woman for Halloween. I knew this would be a problem. How could I not know this? So I talked him out of it explaining the costume wouldn't be warm enough, I didn't have a black wig, whatever. Halloween came and he didn't go as Wonder Woman, but went as Darth Vader instead.
Bottom line: He has thanked me for that decision his entire teenage and adult life. He still brings it up. In his mind, this incident had the potential of permanently scarring him for life!!!
So I have to ask myself: what is wrong with child's parents? Why is protective services not protecting this child?
Jul '10
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That should read "His..." Unless he was able to cut off his Y chromosome and replace it with another X.
Oct '11
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Not sure if anyone watched last week's Parks and Recreation, but it was related. To pretend sex doesn't exist for something like medical reasons is ridiculous, though I still feel sorry for the "confused" kids, as I would anyone who believes they have to be something they're not, no matter how incorrect. Nevertheless, I think The Who said it best in their 1966 gem on the subject.
Personally, I prefer groups based on interests rather than gender whenever possible, though I know there are some cases where separating gender removes distractions and promotes character. On the other hand, tom-boys were pretty cool growing up, and were always allowed in the treehouse if they brought a frog.
Edited on October 29, 2011 at 5:48amOct '11
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Jimmy Carter
That should read "His..." Unless he was able to cut off his Y chromosome and replace it with another X. · Oct 28 at 6:30pm
Proof that hers was probably a hard, sad, lonely path.
Jul '10
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QuickerBrownFox
Proof that hers was probably a hard, sad, lonely path. · Oct 28 at 8:50pm
Proof that he was confused or clinically insane.
Dec '10
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If a man wishes to wear a dress and make-up, why should I care? I thought we were for personal freedom.