The King Prawn · Aug 31, 2011 at 8:06pm

The important bit is at 2:39.

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Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

Honestly, I'm not sure Ryan heard God's calling correctly when he made his decision not to run.  My experience is, He often -- scratch that -- usually calls me to get out of my comfort zone.  If Ryan ended up in Congress when he expected to be an economist, what makes him think a stint in the WH is out of bounds?

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

His ability to persuade and play the muscle to get things argued through the congress might come in handy if he does take the VP spot. And, who else would you want to act as the president's chief adviser?

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

I like Ryan as a VP pick, but he seems to have bought into the "Ryan is most effective where he is" meme.  Do you think he would he accept the nod?

It's no small thing to have Ryan where he is.  However, one of his best features, his humility, keeps him from thinking bigger, I suspect.  Clearly the man has never had anything like presidential aspirations.  He's ideal for the job.

Sisyphus
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Sisyphus

Yes, his reluctance to seek the position and his natural humility is a very attractive contrast to the current office holder.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius

We'll have to send a flotilla of 40 nuns to convince him.


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Rico Shea

Am I the only one, or among the very few, who believe that there is such a thing as "thinking bigger" too early in one's life, career, etc? (cf: Obama).  He's  been a Congressman for a little while (13ish years?) but he's still fairly young with a young family, and the simple fact of the matter (though we may not like it) may be that now's not his time...

Edited on Aug 31, 2011 at 8:49pm
Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

Ryan could provide nice balance to Perry's ticket. He's from the north and soft-spoken. If he was Vice President, he would be both a good spokesman for the White House and a good middleman to help negotiate the President's proposals with Congress.

The reasons I didn't support Ryan as a Presidential candidate, despite my deep respect, are that his plans are too limited and he sometimes empowers Democrats by being too "polite" to respond with the blunt truth when it's needed. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I can't imagine Republicans making any progress with gradual changes over a course of decades. It's time to pay the piper.

If Romney wins the primaries, then the VP should be a firebrand. Conservatives from the South and Midwest will respond positively to blunt honesty wherever it comes from, so the VP candidate wouldn't need to be from down here. John Bolton would make a great VP, assuming his domestic principles are as conservative as he has hinted... and assuming he will actually share them with us.

Palin — dare I say it — would be another strong firebrand VP candidate.

Pat in Obamaland
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Pat in Obamaland

I would vote Paul Ryan for President in a second but I think his talents would be wasted running as Vice President. He's a wonk and a good man.  The vice presidency would remove him from day-to-day legislation and push him into the muck of presidential politics. And when you add that the Democrats would hang his plan around the neck of the Republican Presidential candidate, I don't know where the value would be for putting him on a ticket.  Paul Ryan may be the best man in Washington but he would make a terrible addition to the ticket (for himself and for the party).

Marco Rubio should be a no-brainer for every candidate right now: from Florida, young, intelligent, and the perfect Republican nominee in 4 to 8 years. His resume and demeanor are tailor-made for a ticket.

Edited on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:55pm
Cobalt Blue
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Cobalt Blue

I agree with those who said that Ryan's talents would be wasted in the VP slot - that goes for Rubio too. VPs never get to achieve anything on their own. Keep them visible and in positions of responsibility so they can make stronger cases for themselves down the road - they're tomorrow's A-team. Moreover, keeping these guys in Congress has the added advantage of helping a GOP President shape actual legislation - no small thing.

Bolton would be a terrific choice if you're looking for substance. For pure politics, a governor from swing state would be good. Some have been suggesting Pawlenty, but his quick departure makes him look like he's angling for the job and its not clear he would actually be that helpful in the campaign (would his presence push MN to the GOP with Perry at the top? I'm doubtful it would be a deciding factor). Virginia governor McDonnell or Louisiana's Bobby Jindal, on the other hand, could be very attractive candidates. And the half-joking suggestion of Martinez should not be dismissed out of hand ... she's certainly more qualified than other VP choices have been.

Edited on Sep 1, 2011 at 5:49am
Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist

Rico Shea: Am I the only one, or among the very few, who believe that there is such a thing as "thinking bigger" too early in one's life, career, etc? (cf: Obama).  He's  been a Congressman for a little while (13ish years?) but he's still fairly young with a young family, and the simple fact of the matter (though we may not like it) may be that now's not his time... · Aug 31 at 8:48pm

Edited on Aug 31 at 08:49 pm

It may be better for Ryan personally to stay where he is.  However, I think Doc Rahe pointed out, if he won the presidency, at least he'd be sleeping under the same roof with his family rather than spending weeknights on a cot in his congressional office.

Also, the following, which you may not relate to at all, but Paul Ryan would because he's Catholic.  A priest once told me, "Your life is not about you."  IOW, God calls you out of your comfort zone to do the greatest good He sends you to do.  We're called to model our lives after Jesus, which means being self-sacrificial.

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist
Pat in Obamaland: I would vote Paul Ryan for President in a second but I think his talents would be wasted running as Vice President. He's a wonk and a good man.  The vice presidency would remove him from day-to-day legislation and push him into the muck of presidential politics. And when you add that the Democrats would hang his plan around the neck of the Republican Presidential candidate, I don't know where the value would be for putting him on a ticket.  Paul Ryan may be the best man in Washington but he would make a terrible addition to the ticket (for himself and for the party).

There are several pluses to having Ryan as VP.  First, the Dems are going to hang the Path to Prosperity on whomever the GOP nominates and Ryan is best positioned to defend it.  Second, Ryan would be competent as VP and would gain the all important executive experience.  Third, he'd be teed up to be the next GOP president. And last, he might help swing the all-important Midwest swing states for the GOP.  Perry's got the South locked up, I'm guessing.

The King Prawn
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The King Prawn

 Moses wasn't too keen on taking the mantle of leadership either, but he turned out ok in spite of himself.

Western Chauvinist
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Western Chauvinist
Cobalt Blue: I agree with those who said that Ryan's talents would be wasted in the VP slot - that goes for Rubio too. VPs never get to achieve anything on their own. Keep them visible and in positions of responsibility so they can make stronger cases for themselves down the road - they're tomorrow's A-team. Moreover, keeping these guys in Congress has the added advantage of helping a GOP President shape actual legislation - no small thing.

That's the down-side of either Ryan or Rubio as VP picks.  We lose our standard-bearer in one house or the other.  


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