George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Diane Ellis ·
January 18, 2011 at 8:54pm
This photo -- hat tip to the Free North Carolina blog -- was taken yesterday at the NAACP's annual MLK observance at the steps of the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina. The bronze statue of George Washington is hidden from view so as not to offend participants of the rally.
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Sep '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
Sally was probably the half-sister of Jefferson's deceased wife, Martha Wayles Skelton, and there was apparently a strong physical resemblance between the two women. Sally's family was at or near the top of the slave hierarchy on Jefferson's farm. All evidence indicates that Jefferson treated Sally extremely well, and I believe that the two shared a bond based on real friendship and affection.
I'd understood that the half-sister relationship with Martha was certain; Martha's father's relationship with a slave name Betty, who was herself the daughter of a slave and a sailor. Thus Sally was 3/4 white (and looked it). Jefferson's grandson is said to have remarked that Sally's children "resembled Mr. Jefferson so closely that it was plain that they had his blood in his veins". Common gossip at the time in the neighborhood, as well - not just from his political opponents. The "common bond" between then makes sense.
Good analysis of the situation in John Ferling's "Setting the World Ablaze". Ferling's a bit down on Jefferson, but up on Adams, and the Founders in general.
Sep '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
Historical sensitivities, my [ed. vulgarity deleted].& Washington died over 200 years ago. I guess the NAACP never got the memo. More to the point, not one member of the NAACP can claim to have ever been a slave. Instead, they are using the misery of their long-dead ancestors as "emotional leverage" over guilty white liberals. In the final analysis, it is a childish and shameful tactic. ·
Madness abounds, Lady K. I was at some celebration of heritage at my daughter's school. Lots of international flag waving and celebrations of immigrants and multiculturalism.One of the countries represented and celebrated was, get this, Liberia. You know, the country founded by US slaves returning to their beloved Africa? Seems some of them have come back and are waving the Liberian flag, celebrating their, um, cultural heritage. Sadly, no one but me noticed this.
Edited on January 20, 2011 at 4:53amJul '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
Kenneth
Lady Kurobara:
[Comment redacted by editor]
I'd like to go on record as disassociating myself from that comment.
Oh, and Kenneth? There is something brown on the end of your nose... · Jan 18 at 10:00pm
Classy.
Perhaps it does not occur to you that Ricochet enjoys the participation of a distinguished group of Contributors, who would be aghast at associating themselves with a blog that would tolerate such an odious post.
I myself have appeared, as Kenneth, on HotAir and NRO. I disassociated myself in order to avoid any stain - whether brown or another color - from my proximity to your remarks.
Kudos to Diane. One can only hope your comment does not reside in the all-encompassing archives of the Web.
Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:59pmNov '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Bob Croft
Lady Kurobara
Sally was probably the half-sister of Jefferson's deceased wife, Martha Wayles Skelton, and there was apparently a strong physical resemblance between the two women...All evidence indicates that Jefferson treated Sally extremely well, and I believe that the two shared a bond based on real friendship and affection.
I'd understood that the half-sister relationship with Martha was certain; Martha's father's relationship with a slave name Betty, who was herself the daughter of a slave and a sailor. Thus Sally was 3/4 white (and looked it). Jefferson's grandson is said to have remarked that Sally's children "resembled Mr. Jefferson so closely that it was plain that they had his blood in his veins". Common gossip at the time in the neighborhood, as well - not just from his political opponents. The "common bond" between then makes sense.
I have no real argument with any of that. My point is that, because of all the special circumstances involved (especially Sally's blood kinship with Martha Skelton), it is inaccurate (and downright misleading) to characterize the relationship between Sally and Jefferson as primarily a "white master / female slave" thing.
Nov '10
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Ed. Comment deleted.
Edited on January 20, 2011 at 4:55amJul '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
Ed. Comment deleted.
Classy once again....
Edited on January 20, 2011 at 4:56amMay '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
Diane, my (redacted) post has generated a lot of honest curiosity. Some of our members would like to read it. I preserved the text and I am willing to share it via email with anyone who requests it. But I do not wish to break the rules (*cough*). What is the Ricochet protocol for sharing ones email address?
· Jan 19 at 12:10pm
Feel free to send me a private message via Facebook. Though I try to shield my FB friends from politics, as it merely annoys them, a super-secret private message would be interesting, and can be shared with some other Ricochet contacts of mine, who express the same idle curiosity.
Nov '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
What on Earth...?
That deletion was totally unjustified.
I bring real spice to the Ricochet forum. If all you want is a diet of cold, stale oatmeal, just ban my account and be done with it.
Stop killing me by inches.
May '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
That deletion was totally unjustified.
Jan 19 at 8:25pm
It was indeed a masterly bit of thundering Roman invective, and highly entertaining, but my best guess is that management looks askance at masterly bits of thundering Roman invective directed at other Members in the furtherance of what was (is?) rapidly becoming a personal blood feud.
Aug '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Lady Kurobara
I bring real spice to the Ricochet forum. If all you want is a diet of cold, stale oatmeal, just ban my account and be done with it.
Stop killing me by inches.
Lady K, may I plead?
We knew when we signed up for this place that, er, bursts of expressive power beyond a certain fieriness were off-limits. That's just how this place is.
I didn't see your redacted remarks. But I do know that there are tons of outrageous remarks that I could make here, but I don't (prude that I am, I really do have a twisted mind). Most of us here, I expect, are scaling back our spiciness to one degree or another (especially Kennedy, who's an even sicker puppy than he lets on). But less-spicy isn't the same as bland. Food can still be well-spiced without being blazing.
And I'll miss Lady K's special blend of seasoning if it vanishes altogether.
There's no need to kill your spice weasel. It's what makes you so interesting. Just maybe squeeze it a bit more gently sometimes?
Edited on January 20, 2011 at 7:01amNov '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Midget Faded Rattlesnake
Lady Kurobara
I bring real spice to the Ricochet forum. If all you want is a diet of cold, stale oatmeal, just ban my account and be done with it.
Stop killing me by inches.
Lady K, may I plead?
There's no need to kill your spice weasel. It's what makes you so interesting. Just maybe squeeze it a bit more gently sometimes?
You are right, Midge. I have been squeezing my spice weasel rather vigorously.
Because you ask so politely, in the future, I will endeavor to be more gentle, and squeeze the thing with a lighter touch.
Edited on January 20, 2011 at 7:42amDec '10
Re: George Washington Not Welcome at NAACP Rally
Hel-lo Midge, and to your LadyK friend, may I say, "BAM!"
/Futurama
//Again
Don't get banned LadyK, then I'll be here embarrassing the adults all by myself.