Geert is, of course, the notorious mastermind behind the plan to stage simultaneous commando-style raids on major targets in England, France, and Germany. The revelation of Geert's latest terror plot has shaken an already edgy Europe, which has seen the Eiffel Tower evacuated twice in the past two weeks due to his bomb threats, the arrest in Norway of Geert operatives--who planned another attack on the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten--and specific threats to the French public transportation system. Officials warn that Geert is planning a "Mumbai-style rampage" on such targets as the Eiffel Tower, the Hotel Adlon near Berlin's Brandenburg Gate, the Notre Dame Cathedral, Berlin's Central Station and the Alexanderplatz TV tower. Security lines in airports throughout Europe are stretching halfway to Moscow as the result of this latest Geertist threat. The Geertist terror alert level in France is "Red," as it is in Britain.

Wait, no, I'm confused. Geert is the guy who is giving Islam a bad name.

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Kozak
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Kozak

I cannot believe how fast Europe has progressed to Dhimmitude. I see little hope they can recover any semblance of sanity or self respect.

River
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River

It's good that this is out in the open. Europeans hold their own future the balance, and this trial is the ultimate test of their worthiness. If they are as blind, stupid, proud, foolish, and corrupt as they appear, they deserve the worst that IslamoNazis have in mind for them. What a remarkably courageous man Geert Wilders is.

Denise Moss

Are you sure Geert is causing all these terror warnings in Europe. I thought it was the Tea Partiers.

Kenneth
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Kenneth

This is what happens when a country doesn't have a First Amendment and trial by jury.

Claire Berlinski, Ed.
Kenneth: This is what happens when a country doesn't have a First Amendment and trial by jury. · Oct 5 at 6:55am

Article 7 of the Dutch Constitution guarantees freedom of speech. So does the European Convention on Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

Kenneth
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Kenneth

Claire Berlinski, Ed.

Kenneth: This is what happens when a country doesn't have a First Amendment and trial by jury. · Oct 5 at 6:55am

Article 7 of the Dutch Constitution guarantees freedom of speech. So does the European Convention on Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

Oct 5 at 7:20am

Sounds awfully nice....must be an awfully big "but" there if they can prosecute Wilders. Or (and I'm not saying it's a good thing) a Holocaust denier.

G.A. Dean
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G.A. Dean

Oh come on... Admit it. Deep down, you always new that the Dutch were behind it all.

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

The most important thing about this is that it's not just Wilders' on trial... it's the platform of an entire political party.

Mr Wilders' Freedom Party is the third biggest in the Netherlands after June's elections, and is expected to play a key role in the next parliament.

And bear in mind that Wilders hasn't merely spoken against Islam, but has proposed officially banning the Koran in his country. In his view, that would be like banning Nazi propoganda. So there are freedom of speech considerations on both sides.

Mark Wilson
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Mark Wilson

Aaron Miller: The most important thing about this is that it's not just Wilders' on trial... it's the platform of an entire political party.

Mr Wilders' Freedom Party is the third biggest in the Netherlands after June's elections, and is expected to play a key role in the next parliament.

And bear in mind that Wilders hasn't merely spoken against Islam, but has proposed officially banning the Koran in his country. In his view, that would be like banning Nazi propoganda. So there are freedom of speech considerations on both sides. · Oct 5 at 8:01am

I have always understood that he proposes banning the Koran merely to make a point, not actually to go through with the ban and eliminate it from publication. Am I mistaken?

cdor
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cdor

Geert Wilders in Germany recently,

” The Flemish Professor Urbain Vermeulen, the former president of the European Union of Arabists and Islamicists, too, points out that “Islam is primarily a legal system, a law,” rather than a religion.

The American political scientist Mark Alexander writes that “One of our greatest mistakes is to think of Islam as just another one of the world’s great religions. We shouldn’t. Islam is politics or it is nothing at all, but, of course, it is politics with a spiritual dimension, … which will stop at nothing until the West is no more, until the West has … been well and truly Islamized.”..." Abul Ala Maududi, the influential 20th century Pakistani Islamic thinker, wrote – I quote, emphasizing that these are not my words but those of a leading Islamic scholar – “Islam is not merely a religious creed [but] a revolutionary ideology and jihad refers to that revolutionary struggle … to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth, which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam.”

So may I repeat myself please. We must outlaw with specificity, Sharia, in any form. It is Islam's method of controlling it's conquered.

Tommy De Seno

Before we all think we are perfectly safe behind the 1st Amendment, in America we also prosecute people for speaking.

We have laws against inciting riots too, which is what Wilders is on trial for. Put the wrong people in power here and a law like that can be abused here. Scary.

Still on point, it isn't just "inciting a riot" that can get you locked up for speaking in America. People are arrested all the time for nothing more than a policeman doesn't like what they said or how they said it. The police justify it under peacekeeping authority.

We need to be as vigilent here as we are outraged about what is happening to Wilders there.

Edited on Oct 5, 2010 at 10:00am

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Peter Hintz

Claire Berlinski, Ed.

Article 7 of the Dutch Constitution guarantees freedom of speech. So does the European Convention on Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

Oct 5 at 7:20am

It is important to look at the exact wording of art. 7, sec. 3 of the Dutch constitution: It states that "no one shall be required to submit thoughts or opinions for prior approval in order to disseminate them [...]". Speech therefore does not need prior permission, i.e. censorship, however this leaves space for punishment afterwards: The constitution explicitly refers "to the responsibility of every person under the law" at the end of the same section. Basically, the government may not keep you from speaking however they may punish you after you've spoken. Except for some very rare cases this is not possible under the U.S. constitution.

Edited on Oct 5, 2010 at 11:19am
FeliciaB
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FeliciaB

Booyah, Claire!

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

Mark Wilson

I have always understood that he proposes banning the Koran merely to make a point, not actually to go through with the ban and eliminate it from publication. Am I mistaken? · Oct 5 at 8:46am

You might be right. It's been a while since I've payed any attention to it. These days, trials last years. And if anything momentous happens at that trial, I'm sure Steyn will write about it.

Robb Penney
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Robb Penney

I know Claire will hate this mentioned but... just ask Mark Steyn about this particular form of 'freedom of speech' witch hunt. He has a few choice words about his ordeal with our lovely neighbors to the North.

Pseudodionysius
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Pseudodionysius
Robb Penney: I know Claire will hate this mentioned but... just ask Mark Steyn about this particular form of 'freedom of speech' witch hunt. He has a few choice words about his ordeal with our lovely neighbors to the North. · Oct 5 at 2:20pm

The technical term for Canada is "Demented Dominion", just so you know. Same health care system as Cuba, but with a chillier clime, according to Mr. Steyn.


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