GOProud and CPAC 2013
Jonathan Werner ·
February 20, 2013 at 9:54pm
I'm a pro-life, pro-gun (why can't I have an AR-15 if I want one?), budget-slashing, God-fearing conservative every day of the week.
Except on the issue of gay marriage.
On that topic, I'm an utter RINO-squish. I'm totally in favor of it. All week long.
Do my fellow Ricochetti have anything to say regarding GOProud's continued exclusion from CPAC? It strikes me as completely counterproductive. If you happen to be a social conservative and you come across a gay conservative who agrees with you on 90% of the issues, to paraphrase Reagan, that gay conservative is your 90% ally, not your 10% enemy.
Besides, wouldn't you at least want the opportunity to engage each other in a forum for ideas like CPAC, and let the best argument win?
Thoughts?
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May '12
Re: GOProud and CPAC 2013
With all do respect claiming to be God-fearing and totally in favor of gay 'marriage' all week long is an oxymoron.
Marriage is the union of a man and a woman before God. This isn't negotiable, waiverable, sort of, kind of, or any other squishy term.
Would I like to see GOProud participate in CPAC? Sure. I am not willing to claim I am on par with God and have the ability to bend God's truth to accommodate them if their single point of light issue is gay 'marriage'. If GOProud agrees with 90% of the GOP platform (whatever that big government pseudo progressive document details) then they are the GOP's friend.
If GOPProud can't accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP's ally.
Jan '11
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Oh, I
BrentB67:
If GOPProud can't accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP's ally.
Oh, I disagree Brent. Currently, the GOP is it's own worse enemy. They need voters. But, ironically, they will spurn them, just like you have done here in your reply.
The GOP, is a political organization. Thus, it can , and does, change it's platform. There's nothing written in stone that says GOP must be anti-gay marriage. So, I say yes, to Jonathan, GOProud.
(Oh, and If someone feels like taking issue with my commenting on GOP strategy, I'm still technically a registered Republican, and have been all my life. Because, my state makes us declare a party to vote in primaries, and only Dems & GOP are on the primary ballot. So, I've stayed registered with the same party I started voting with at age 18. So, I've probably been a registered Republican longer than many here on Ricochet. )
Dec '11
Re: GOProud and CPAC 2013
Till gay groups are more inclusive of the opposite sex in their marriages they should not be viewed with toleration. :-)
Edited on February 20, 2013 at 9:40amJul '11
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CPAP should be open to all
May '12
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Elizabeth Van Horn: Oh, I
BrentB67:
If GOPProud can't accept the Biblical truth that underpins our Judeo Christian foundation then they are not the GOP's ally.
Oh, I disagree Brent. Currently, the GOP is it's own worse enemy. They need voters. But, ironically, they will spurn them, just like you have done here in your reply.
Last I checked the GOP didn't write the Bible and I don't recall any of it being negotiable.
God isn't running a mass marketing campaign based on the opinions of political parties or focus groups.
If GOPProud wants to attend I think they will add to the meeting and I am confident they may embrace many conservative principles. There are already some very good speakers on the schedule and their voices will raise the discourse.
That does't belittle the fact that there some things that aren't negotiable.
Dec '11
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GOProud should be open to all. Since we agree on 90% of the issues shouldn't they allow SoCon into their meetings to help them be more tolerant. Why are they so anti-traditional marriage? :-)
Mar '11
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Why? Doesn't that defeat the very idea of creating an organization with a specifically politically conservative purpose? There's nothing conservative whatsoever about GOProud. You might as well accept any group as long as "Conservative" is slapped on the label. CPAC, featuring booths by Conservative Heroin Addicts of America, Conservatives for Marxist Economics, and the Conservative Wife-Swapping Society.
Conservative has to mean something. It can't simply be "not liberal".
Mar '11
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BTW, Mr. Werner, if Ricochet history is any indication, and you were hoping for Main Feed bait, the one sure way to do it is to put some variation of "Gay" in the title. So, congrats on what will probably be a 500+ response post, with half of the responses coming from about 3 people.
Edited on February 20, 2013 at 3:51amMay '12
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You might as well accept any group as long as "Conservative" is slapped on the label. CPAC, featuring booths by Conservative Heroin Addicts of America, Conservatives for Marxist Economics, and the Conservative Wife-Swapping Society.
· 2 minutes ago
And call it the 2013 Libertarian Convention in Las Vegas.
There, that should get at least another 100 comments before dawn.
May '11
Re: GOProud and CPAC 2013
I am with you on this, Jonathan. My first choice is to have the government get out of the marriage business altogether. No tax differences or anything of the sort. The legal rights that spouses have by default should be an overt legal choice, not a default result of a religious ceremony.
But that will never happen. And the Civil Union distinction is a joke and an insult to notion of both gay and traditional marriage. It leaves us arguing about a word, not a principle.
I am Catholic. I'm happy to share all the rights and responsibilities that come with my Catholic marriage. And I would gladly give my wife the rights and privileges that spouses are endowed with by default. But that should be my choice.
And it should be the Church's choice. I do not think the Church should be required to perform gay weddings. But we're not talking about the Church -- we're talking about the government.
Edited on February 20, 2013 at 2:26pmMay '11
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While I'm ranting here, I'd also like to make the point to all the folks who seem so surprised or antagonized by RINO-squishiness: Ricochet is supposed to be Center-Right.
We probably should not be so alarmed by comments that fit that description.
Edited on February 20, 2013 at 3:07pmMay '11
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I guess I skipped the whole CPAC topic. As far as that goes, I think CPAC should invite whichever speakers it wants.
GOProud has a home in the GOP because it is open to all, but "GOP" and "conservative" are not synonymous.
I disagree with most conservatives about gay marriage, but I don't expect conservatism to change to accommodate me or GOProud.
Apr '12
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What is greater threat to the Republic....the looming debt crisis or gay marriage? Let's have a big tent of people who believe and act upon a smaller govt.
Jul '11
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10 cents: GOProud should be open to all. Since we agree on 90% of the issues shouldn't they allow SoCon into their meetings to help them be more tolerant. Why are they so anti-traditional marriage? :-) · 1 hour ago
Edited 1 hour ago
GOProud is a closed organization? They do not allow non-homosexuals in? Homosexuals cannot be conservatives? Are any of these things true?
Sooner or later some sort of accommodation is going to have to be reached concerning the recognition of homosexual couples. Maybe this organization can be part of us finding this consensus.
Dec '11
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FJG,
How many passionate traditional marriage advocates are in their ranks? If it is less than 5% does not this show their lack of acceptance of various opinions? :-)
Fake John Galt
10 cents: GOProud should be open to all. Since we agree on 90% of the issues shouldn't they allow SoCon into their meetings to help them be more tolerant. Why are they so anti-traditional marriage? :-) · 1 hour ago
Edited 1 hour ago
GOProud is a closed organization? They do not allow non-homosexuals in? Homosexuals cannot be conservatives? Are any of these things true?
Sooner or later some sort of accommodation is going to have to be reached concerning the recognition of homosexual couples. Maybe this organization can be part of us finding this consensus. · 2 minutes ago
Re: GOProud and CPAC 2013
NewRabble
I am with you on this, Jonathan. My first choice is to have the government get out of the marriage business. No tax differences or anything of the sort. The legal rights that spouses have by default should be an overt legal choice, not a default result of a religious ceremony.
But that will never happen. And the Civil Union distinction is a joke and an insult to notion of both gay and traditional marriage. It leaves us arguing about a word, not a principle.
I am Catholic. I'm happy to share all the legal rights and responsibilities that come with my Catholic marriage. But that is my choice.
And it is the Church's choice. I do not think the Church should be required to perform gay weddings. But we're not talking about the Church -- we're talking about the government. · 52 minutes ago
Hey, hey, hey. There's only room for one RINO squish around here.
Jul '11
Re: GOProud and CPAC 2013
I'm in favor of civil unions, although definitely not forcing the church to do anything so I suppose I agree with you. Of course the camel's nose under the tent is not to give gays equal rights but to destroy religious institutions.
Nov '11
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My dad has one of them CPAP machines, but he never uses it. Doesn't like wearing a mask. Guess it just doesn't go with his lifestyle.
Jul '10
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We are at the point where any CPAC that includes Liberty University, the Heritage Foundation, the Family Research Council, and a handful of others, does not include GOProud. The Gordion Knot is their position supporting the imposition of gay marriage by the government. And if you think we had a dustup over settled law in requiring religious institutions to fund abortions, wait until the same set of chuckleheads sends Eric Holder to sue any denomination that refuses to perform gay marriage ceremonies. Sooner or later, Holder will win a case. While I don't think so, that one might be it.
The GOProud position is about as libertarian as Joey Stalin's USSR. The libertarian position on marriage should be what's the government doing getting involved to begin with? Register marriages? OK. Helps support the family. Streamline the processing of any name changes arising from a marriage? OK. Set the minimum age requirements? Fine. Mess with the semantics of an institution that has been defined in religious terms by myriad cultures since at least the invention of writing? Not bloody likely.
Civil unions are a compassionate response without opening the door to government mandated secular misdefinitions of marriage.
Oct '10
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My understanding is that GOPROUD didn't try to attend this year, after what happened last year. Doesn't that make this a nonissue? A manufactured controversy?