From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Brace yourselves. Business, apparently, likes being in business-friendly environments. From the San Francisco Chronicle:
Chevron Corp. will move up to 800 jobs - about a quarter of its current headquarters staff - from the Bay Area to Houston over the next two years but will remain based in San Ramon, the oil company told employees Thursday.
The newly-shifted employees will join a large group in Houston:
The company already employs far more people in Houston - about 9,000 full-time employees and contractors - than it does [at its headquarters in] San Ramon. With a refinery in El Segundo (Los Angeles County) and oil field operations in Bakersfield, Chevron has roughly 10,000 workers throughout the Golden State.
Of course, now it's 9,800 employees in Texas and 9,100 employees in California. But don't read anything into that:
"It's important to reiterate that we are a California-based company," said Chevron spokesman Morgan Crinklaw. "We've been an important part of the state's economy and growth for 130 years, and we remain committed to this state."
Which is exactly the kind of thing professional spokespeople say right before they pull up stakes and head for the hills.
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Jan '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Just out of curiosity ... who's after Texas? What states offer the best deal for a business?
Jul '10
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
North Dakota ..... but you will need a very nice coat.
Oct '12
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
The key to Texas' success is in its government (or lack of it). We have conservative ideals in our political life blood and constitutional DNA. The state constitution only allows the legislature to meet for 90 days every 2 years (except by special session). That limits the mischief and reactionary law making. Further, our representatives actually have other jobs in the state.
Imagine the US Congress only meeting for 90 days every two years--conservative heaven.
P.S. The newcomers to Texas should undergo treatments to keep their politics out of the state, like spraying for the The Mediterranean fruit fly, California socialist ideals are dangerous to our indigenous life forms.
Edited on December 21, 2012 at 8:54pmJul '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
They might remain committed to the state, but clearly the state is no longer committed to them.
Buh-bye, jobs. Wave buh-bye! What's much more painful for any rational Californians is that their move will be celebrated by many Progressives as being good for the state.
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Current price to rent a 26' U-Haul one-way from San Francisco to Dallas: $2,035.
Current price to rent a 26' U-Haul one-way from Dallas to San Francisco: $1,175.
(Play with other pairs here.)
The difference in price tells you something about the relative demand for moving in each direction.
Apr '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Similarly, after passing a tax hike in November, California's revenues continued to decline.
Oops.
Mar '12
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
I'm in Houston. Husband is an adjunct in Austin so is there about once a month. We were in Dallas last weekend. The state is hauling people in. I think half of Dallas is under construction to accommodate influx. Schools are busting.
We can keep up, but I'm with Joseph. Californians should leave their politics in California.
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
P.S. SF - Houston $2,178. Houston - SF $1,006.
Aug '10
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
I'm shocked, shocked to find that capitalism is going on in here!
May '12
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
It would also be interesting to find out which companies and individuals are leaving California for tax & regulatory friendly places like Singapore, Hong Kong, Costa Rica, Panama, Chile, etc. Although it is anecdotal, I've recently met more and more people who are leaving not just California, but the US entirely and taking their companies, jobs, and tax revenues with them. California and the US could find themselves in a whole world of hurt sooner than they could imagine.
Aug '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
And a house. Not many to be had. Housing is at a premium right now due to the oil boom.
Aug '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
AHLondon: I'm in Houston. Husband is an adjunct in Austin so is there about once a month. We were in Dallas last weekend. The state is hauling people in. I think half of Dallas is under construction to accommodate influx. Schools are busting.
We can keep up, but I'm with Joseph. Californians should leave their politics in California. · 1 hour ago
Californians will ruin the state. Look what they did to Colorado. Housing prices will escalate.
Jul '10
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Californians screwed up Montana, too.
Nov '12
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Don't worry , CA will soon impose a departure tax as well as a capital gains surcharge on all investment income retroactive to the day you first entered and resided in CA. Don't believe it will happen? Think again, there's nothing illegal about that. We lived in Irvine CA for three years while my wife finished her medical fellowship. She got amazing job offers from AZ and NV medical practices. She got half of what these others were offering from CA practices. We live in Tucson now and we couldn't be happier. 60% lower state income tax and a 4% property tax with wide open spaces and plenty of beautiful scenery....lovin' it!!!
Nov '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2012/12/17/when_will_death_spiral_states_impose_taxes_on_fleeing_citizens_100047.html
They better flee now, except they can make it retro-active I suppose...
Jan '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
HeartofAmerica
Californians will ruin the state. Look what they did to Colorado. Housing prices will escalate. · 3 hours ago
Don't need to look that far. Look at what they're doing to Austin.
Aug '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
TheSophist
HeartofAmerica
Californians will ruin the state. Look what they did to Colorado. Housing prices will escalate. · 3 hours ago
Don't need to look that far. Look at what they're doing to Austin. · 31 minutes ago
Californians are a plague of locusts. They consume everything in their wake and leave the locals struggling to understand what happened to their peaceful (and cheaper) existence before they ravaged the land, the schools and the government.
Nov '12
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
Full Disclosure: I'm a born & bred New Yorker who did graduate school in MA, 10 years back in NYC, a brief stint in California and I now live in AZ. Total Blue-State background but I turned out to be a conservative (although I do admit to voting for Clinton in my youth...what, I was a low-information voter back in those days!!)
Anyway, it would be nice to see some hard numbers put to this but I somewhat reject the idea that those moving out of CA and stinking up everyone else's life are degenerate liberals. If anything, I would think moderate RINO squishes (aka, Rob Long) and staunch conservatives would be fleeing CA, not liberals.
My brother and his wife (DINKs) live in NYC and they think I'm nuts for moving my family to...ahhhhhh...Arizona!! They are liberal, metro-sexual's who couldn't conceive of life where you actual have to drive long distances to get your groceries or, heaven forbid, not have a Starbucks within spitting range....they would never, ever leave their precious city. I think that's more the norm than liberals abandoning the nanny-state.
Edited on December 22, 2012 at 4:11amSep '12
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
The cost of living difference between the two Chevron offices is insane. People in the industry turn down offers from Chevron if they have to relocate all the time. Plus, word is out. If you ever reside in Cali, they hound you forever for taxes and fees. They put out a tax lien on me after I left the state because my state income tax was late. They keep reporting it to the credit bureaus every few years so I will pay the fee to get proof it was cleared up back in the nineties every time I close on a home or other major loan.
Nov '11
Re: From the No Surprise File: California Losing Jobs to Texas
"...we remain committed to this state." Why? You should be committed.