Some joyous news comes to us from Chile at this late hour:

Florencio Avalos, the first of 33 miners to be rescued, has surfaced after 69 days underground.

Avalos climbed out of the rescue capsule and was immediately embraced by rescue workers and others, as bystanders cheered and clapped.

A rescue expert with the state copper company Codelco, Gonzalez will be followed by Roberto Ros, a paramedic with the Chilean navy's special forces. Together they will prepare the miners for their rescue — expected to take as many as 36 hours for all to surface.

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Kenneth
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Kenneth

Apparently, Republicans were standing by near the top of the rescue apparatus, sipping Slurpies.

Jimmy Carter
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Jimmy Carter

Apparently, Republicans ignore those that "mine" across Our border and vote "Democrat."

Claire Berlinski, Ed.

Okay, not only is this an absolute tearjerker--I challenge you, stay cynical--but the Chileans are looking like the most astonishingly competent people on earth. First, the country pulls through an 8.8 earthquake with only 521 deaths--if that had happened here, half the population would be gone. Now this. How did Chile get so amazingly great?

outstripp
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outstripp
Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Okay, .... How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Germans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Chilean

Cas Balicki
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Cas Balicki
Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Okay, not only is this an absolute tearjerker--I challenge you, stay cynical--but the Chileans are looking like the most astonishingly competent people on earth. First, the country pulls through an 8.8 earthquake with only 521 deaths--if that had happened here, half the population would be gone. Now this. How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Good engineering in known circumstances will do stuff like this and, surprise, surprise, make it look easy, because to those who don't know how it is magic, to the engineers it is technology, not science technology.

Cas Balicki
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Cas Balicki

outstripp

Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Okay, .... How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Germans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Chilean · Oct 12 at 10:45pm

Is that German as in I.G. Farben?

Whiskey Sam
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Whiskey Sam

Wonderful news!

outstripp
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outstripp

Cas Balicki

outstripp

Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Okay, .... How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Germans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Chilean · Oct 12 at 10:45pm

Is that German as in I.G. Farben? · Oct 12 at 10:49pm

Apparently not: "Most German Chileans are descendants from German immigrants that began to settle in Chile in the middle of the 19th Century, viz. after the failed liberal German Revolution of 1848."

Midget Faded Rattlesnake
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Midget Faded Rattlesnake

Whoopee!

I hope there are many mad handkerchief dances in the streets on their behalf, and many bottles of wine opened in their honor.

I bet the sunshine will feel good to them.

G.A. Dean
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G.A. Dean

Just watched one of the rescued miners, Mario Sepulveda, give a remarkably garrulous public statement. The BBC has one of the more remarkable quotes...

"I was with God and the devil. They fought, God won."

Amazing story.

Michael Labeit
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Claire Berlinski, Ed.: How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Capitalism.

Tommy De Seno

The news is making a lot of their courage because they are fighting about who will stay and leave last, like a captain on a sinking ship.

I suspect that might actually have something to do with that one fellow whose wife and girlfriend both showed up at the mountain and are waiting for him up there :-o

Claire Berlinski, Ed.

Michael Labeit

Claire Berlinski, Ed.: How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Capitalism. · Oct 13 at 3:04am

You know I'd be the first to agree with that, but the word German has a real ring of truth here.

Michael Labeit
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Michael Labeit

Claire Berlinski, Ed.

Michael Labeit

Claire Berlinski, Ed.: How did Chile get so amazingly great? · Oct 12 at 9:45pm

Capitalism. · Oct 13 at 3:04am

You know I'd be the first to agree with that, but the word German has a real ring of truth here. · Oct 13 at 4:50am

I'd like to witness that famous German efficiency operate under non-capitalist conditions. The market brings out the best. I think much of the economic disparity between ethnic/racial groups (e.g. why are the Jews so rich?) is caused in part by the volume of and quality of participation in the marketplace.

~Paules
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~Paules

It's not just the Germans. Chile is home to many European nationalities: French, English, Scots, and Irish to name a few. The Chilean national hero is one Bernardo O'Higgins. And like Argentina next door, few Native Americans were available for intermarriage so the bloodline and culture of both nations is overwhelmingly European. Can you infer racism from my statement? You betcha. Latin America is one of the most racist regions I've ever visited. European elites on top, mixed blood second, and pure Native American and/or African at the bottom. And don't tell me it ain't so; I once found myself denied entrance to fine restaurant because my girlfriend was mestizo.

~Paules
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~Paules

Michael Labeit: "I think much of the economic disparity between ethnic/racial groups (e.g. why are the Jews so rich?) is caused in part by the volume of and quality of participation in the marketplace."

Jews, Armenians, and Sikhs, to name a few ethnic groups, all put a cultural premium on education. St. Gregory the Illuminator, the patron saint of Armenia, was a librarian. It's not uncommon in world affairs, or in history, to see an educated ethnic minority become a nation's middle class. Indians in Uganda, Fiji, and South Africa. Armenians and Greeks in the Ottoman Empire. Chinese in Malaysia. And Jews wherever they go. It's all about education.

Michael Labeit
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Michael Labeit
~Paules: It's all about education. · Oct 13 at 5:28am

I don't deny the importance of education. I just contend, as is relevant to the success of Chile, that prosperity comes with an appreciation for and participation in the capitalist mode of production and exchange.

cdor
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cdor

I know that we are not forgetting that Marx was a Jew, along with many anti-capitalists of the current left. I agree with Paules, education is the dominant influence. But I have, for a while admired "Cheel-lay" ( just so you know what an elitist I am) as perhaps the one country I might consider if everything goes down the toilet here in the USA. I agree that it's strong capitalist environment has made that country very appealing.

Edited on Oct 13, 2010 at 6:58am
Michael Labeit
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Michael Labeit

cdor, I'll go out on a limb and claim that most adult Jews behave as capitalists - even the "liberal" ones.

Midget Faded Rattlesnake
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Midget Faded Rattlesnake

~Paules:

Jews, Armenians, and Sikhs, to name a few ethnic groups, all put a cultural premium on education. St. Gregory the Illuminator, the patron saint of Armenia, was a librarian. It's not uncommon in world affairs, or in history, to see an educated ethnic minority become a nation's middle class. Indians in Uganda, Fiji, and South Africa. Armenians and Greeks in the Ottoman Empire. Chinese in Malaysia. And Jews wherever they go. It's all about education. · Oct 13 at 5:28am

And education is cultural capital.


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