Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
James Of England ·
February 29, 2012 at 4:30am
Please come and join the conversation as the results pour in. As Michigan is a very open primary, Democrat members are particularly welcome. ;-)
Edit: it appears that most of the conversation will be about Michigan, where the overall result is still in doubt, and the Delegate count is even more in the air...
And as I type this, ABC calls Michigan for Romney. And now AP is.... and now FOX. The Delegate count is awarded (almost certainly) one at large delegate each to Santorum and Romney, with each Congressional District awarding 2 delegates to its winner. You can find the District map here, and the results by county here.
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Feb '12
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
James Of England: Please come and join the conversation as the results pour in. As Michigan is a very open primary, Democrat members are particularly welcome. ;-)
Edit: it appears that most of the conversation will be about Michigan, where the overall result is still in doubt, and the Delegate count is even more in the air...
And as I type this, ABC calls Michigan for Romney. And now AP is.... and now FOX. The Delegate count is awarded (almost certainly) one at large delegate each to Santorum and Romney, with each Congressional District awarding 2 delegates to its winner. You can find the District map here, and the results by county here. · · 10 hours ago
Feb '12
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
We Conservatives have literally shot ourselves in the foot. We ran several candidates and allowed the tag team of Romney and his willing accomplice Ron Paul to destroy each one of them in sequence. Conservatives also viciously attacked each other falling into line behind the vicious Romney attack machine.
Romney divided and conquered thus far. he is such a wimpish weak candidate; most Conservatives cannot stand the "great waffler". The GOP establishment gave us Dole and McCain and a useless George Herbert Walker Bush campaign. We look weak with the feckless Romney as our candidate.
Apr '11
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
James Of England: CD/ delegate update:
Congressional districts so far:
Romney: 8th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th. The 10th should be his, but it's not clear how the votes are distributed in Macomb, where he would need about a 1200 vote lead.
Santorum: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th
In other words, a tied Michigan delegate count, with Romney getting 44 delegates for the night and Santorum 15. · 8 hours ago
I was wrong about the 5th. I guess Saginaw's votes were better distributed for Romney than I thought. The 10th also went to Mitt, and the 13th is still counting, but Santorum is ahead.
I couldn't see the 13th from the google reports because it is a Detroit district and Mitt won both counties that include it, but I'm guessing the district, lately the seat of Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, most famous for being the mother of Kwame, but also a source of other entertainment, has gone Santorum. It's also notable for being the only seat where Paul did well, coming within 3.5k votes of victory.
As such, the delegate count is unchanged from my prediction. 15 each + 29 Arizonans.
Apr '11
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
GINO: We Conservatives have literally shot ourselves in the foot. We ran several candidates and allowed the tag team of Romney and his willing accomplice Ron Paul to destroy each one of them in sequence. Conservatives also viciously attacked each other falling into line behind the vicious Romney attack machine.
Romney divided and conquered thus far. he is such a wimpish weak candidate; most Conservatives cannot stand the "great waffler". The GOP establishment gave us Dole and McCain and a useless George Herbert Walker Bush campaign. We look weak with the feckless Romney as our candidate. · 37 minutes ago
None of the non-Romneys would make us look any stronger though. If any of them were solid candidates they would not be in the position they are in now...loosing to Mitt (Vanilla) Romney. The non-Romneys can't close the deal even in the Republican Primary, I don't know why we would expect them to do better in the general.
Dec '11
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
Gino, I disagree to an extent. A movement like the Tea Party is not going to, in Hollywood fashion, instantly beat the establishment and move the goalposts for conservative candidates to win. It is a process this taking the levers of power from those clinging with both hands and throwing sharp elbows.We began with the House. It has changed the course of the conversation because it gave us the chance to throw obstacles in Obama's path. It was also a wake up call to the establishment GOP that fiscal conservatives were no longer going to fall in line and vote the lesser of two evils. From my point of view, that is a battle victory in a long war. Taking control of the Senate is crucial in the next battle. A Republican mindful of the partners who brought him to the dance in the WH is icing on the cake at this point.The Olympia Snowe announcement and how it was handled demonstrates the knowledge that moderates pretending to be Republicans realize they are about to be marginalized. I can read a lot into her malicious attack on "bi-partisanship" in DC, like she knows the gig is up.
Apr '11
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
GINO: We Conservatives have literally shot ourselves in the foot. We ran several candidates and allowed the tag team of Romney and his willing accomplice Ron Paul to destroy each one of them in sequence. Conservatives also viciously attacked each other falling into line behind the vicious Romney attack machine.
Romney divided and conquered thus far. he is such a wimpish candidate; most Conservatives cannot stand the "great waffler". The GOP establishment gave us Dole and McCain and a useless George Herbert Walker Bush campaign. We look weak with the feckless Romney as our candidate.
I'm not sure the divide and conquer claim works with the data, as most races have had a single clear ABR candidate. The exceptions were Iowa, which is always crowded, and New Hampshire and Nevada, where there were no non-Romney conservative performances. Gingrich is supporting Santorum in Ohio, and will probably win Georgia, but the rest of the race will be a pure two horse event. If Romney or Santorum win, it will be because they are the better candidate.
The most popular choice for conservatives in the races we're discussing in this thread (AZ/MI exit polls) was Mitt. Democrats, Santorum.
Apr '11
Re: Faux Live Chat: Michigan and Arizona edition
My guess is that TEA Partiers, including her governor, made life much less pleasant for her. There is a definite positive side to this, but it's kind of a mixed blessing. Fortunately, the chief impact of the TEA Parties is the election of straight down the line conservatives, like her governor.