EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
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Nov 1, 2011 at 4:22pm
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Apr '11
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Bravo! Very well done and solidly true EJHill
Since the MSM "touted the windmills of Watergate" to quote Malcom Muggridge, what has their hard hitting reporting consisted of except the building up and tearing down of conservative straw men.
Jun '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
You're a genius, EJ. Great analysis. It's so important to focus on who is producing the content.
Nice production, too.
Aug '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Thanks for that, EJ. We need that reminder. Opinion is not news reporting.
Aug '10
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Larry Koler: You're a genius, EJ. Great analysis. It's so important to focus on who is producing the content.
Nice production, too. · Oct 31 at 10:38am
Copy that.
Oct '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Very Nice. The MSM has conditioned most to accept news as soundbites hype entertainment. There is something in that as well about the attention span of the time.
How to generate honest interest in the news may be some awfull series of events in the media so they loose faith. That is a hard call.
Aug '11
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Whistling past the graveyard, again. MSM's demise will be sudden and complete. And you won't see it coming.
May '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Charles, only you would bet against the combined strengths of world's largest media companies. Especially when one of them probably controls the wire into your house.
Unless, of course you own a printing press and are planning a massive EMP strike somewhere over the midwest.
Oct '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
EJHill
Charles, only you would bet against the combined strengths of world's largest media companies. Especially when one of them probably controls the wire into your house.
Unless, of course you own a printing press and are planning a massive EMP strike somewhere over the midwest. · Oct 31 at 5:12pm
Amusing and quite true, On the matter of scale, the MSM is a formidable foe.
Aug '11
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
What occurs when an organization engages in wrongful behavior but is not held accountable? The organization continues in the behavior to an ever increasing degree.
What happens to the MSM when they flat-out misreport a story? Two examples come to mind: the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson story and anthropogenic global warming. The first was the result of Richard Armitage being an old gossip but the MSM got it completely wrong and went after their nemesis, Karl Rove. The second, the MSM not only ignore contrary opinion, but attacked it vociferously.
Where does this lead? To ever more inaccurate reporting on a grander scale. The next great scandal will be the MSM itself when people conclude that that cannot believe was the MSM is reporting. That is why I say the MSM's downfall will be sudden and complete. Once they lose their customers' trust, they are valueless. It isn't the technology that is the threat, but themselves.
"My name is MSM, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Aug '11
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
This is how the MSM demise will occur: either it will inaccurately report an important story (error of commission) or completely fail to report an important story (error of omission). This failure will have a real, strongly negative impact on the public at large. It will then be learned that the MSM could have correctly reported the story but chose not to do so. At which point the public will decide that the MSM is untrustworthy (among other, more choice deprecations).
It will be curious to see how a Watergate-sized affair plays out with the MSM in the docket. This scandal will not be reported by the MSM, except in a dismissive fashion. Of course, their upstart competitors will report this scandal and reap the benefits thereof.
Yes, the MSM is large but this is exactly what will lead to its downfall. Size leads to being insular and insular to ignorance of shortcomings.
Jun '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Charles, I hope you are right.
But, I have to admit that EJ has pretty much convinced me here and in other posts that he is right -- the MSM is here to stay and our only hope is to slowly over time get it to do its job correctly. I think CNN has started a little bit in this direction. There is movement into fair news territory.
What bothers me the most is what Roger Ailes talks about and that is the exclusion of the conservative voices (errors of omission) -- this is an easy bias to be secret about and it's a little harder to prove. This slanted coverage has a long term pernicious effect and we end up always having to explain ourselves in debates because so few people in the mainstream know the conservative position on anything.
I often open a rejoinder to something stupid by an MSM influenced person with the simple request for them to tell me what he thinks the conservative position is on the subject.
We have this one advantage: we know what the liberal position is on most things -- people in the middle know very little about conservative positions.
Apr '11
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Larry Koler: But, I have to admit that EJ has pretty much convinced me here and in other posts that he is right -- the MSM is here to stay and our only hope is to slowly over time get it to do its job correctly. I think CNN has started a little bit in this direction. There is movement into fair news territory.
What bothers me the most is what Roger Ailes talks about and that is the exclusion of the conservative voices (errors of omission) -- this is an easy bias to be secret about and it's a little harder to prove. This slanted coverage has a long term pernicious effect and we end up always having to explain ourselves in debates because so few people in the mainstream know the conservative position on anything.
Nothing specific to add, just wanted to LIKE this again. And again.
Aug '11
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Given that the MSM does inaccurately report the news, at what point does the press (in the generic sense) switch from being a benefit to a constitutional republic to a threat?
Jun '10
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I think that most of the MSM are enemies of the Republic. They share almost none of the peoples' values and actively work against us and our families all through the day.
Jun '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Charlotte
Larry Koler: But, I have to admit that EJ has pretty much convinced me here and in other posts that he is right -- the MSM is here to stay and our only hope is to slowly over time get it to do its job correctly. I think CNN has started a little bit in this direction. There is movement into fair news territory.
What bothers me the most is what Roger Ailes talks about and that is the exclusion of the conservative voices (errors of omission) -- this is an easy bias to be secret about and it's a little harder to prove. This slanted coverage has a long term pernicious effect and we end up always having to explain ourselves in debates because so few people in the mainstream know the conservative position on anything.
Nothing specific to add, just wanted to LIKE this again. And again. · Nov 1 at 8:04am
Wow! Thanks, Charlotte.
Jun '10
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Hillsdale needs to start a journalism department. It begins with the education.
May '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
It's the old philosopher's question about if the tree falls in the woods... Alternate upstart competitors with small audiences are not going to make the big boys quake. Even Fox News, which "dominates" the small world of cable, is dwarfed by the combined audiences of the three network newscasts.
Worse yet is the vast amounts of people who ignore the news and just pick up bits and pieces along the way.
Conservatives need a real news source. Everyday, credible news with a limited amount of opinion.
Jul '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
Great job on this, EJ, and a very good discussion going on here. I find I may be out of the mainstream on this topic as I rarely watch the news at all simply scanning Fox' website a few times a day and relying more on Ricochet and National Review.
Aug '11
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
The final arbiter of our dispute is time. My contention is that by 2025 we will be speaking of the MSM is the past tense. How news is gathered, vetted and distributed will also be entirely different. Am I right? Check back with me in fourteen years.
Please note that we are now living in Internet time where more happens in one day than in one month of 500 years ago.
Dec '10
Re: EJ's Journal: Death of the MSM is Greatly Exaggerated
EJHill
Worse yet is the vast amounts of people who ignore the news and just pick up bits and pieces along the way.
Conservatives need a real news source. Everyday, credible news with a limited amount of opinion. · Nov 1 at 5:34pm
True and true. I think the Daily Caller may be the ray of sunshine through the clouds.
It'll be a hard slog for conservatives to gain ground. Liberals have institutions built up with decades of revenues. Though those institutions can be paralleled, the trust in their brands will be very hard to match.
I believe that conservatives tendency toward opinion-based media is a response to all the inaccuracy in the media. We do need to get off the defensive. The dramatic downturn in the economy is not ideal, but it creates a unique opportunity not seen in a generation. If a conservative can figure out how to replace the profits that most of print media has lost out on in the last decade due to craigslist specifically and the internet in general, they could create a formidable presence. Especially if they dump those profits into investigative journalism.