DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
John Marzan ·
Oct 20, 2011 at 3:53pm
“I want to see the one who’s appealing to Independents; I want to see the one who’s gonna win the general election, because 2012 might be the last chance we get to turn this thing around.”
Is Jim DeMint Saying he prefers "electability" over ideological purity?
Related: "Obama knows what he is doing"
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Oct '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
And DeMint believes that Mr. McRomney will be the man to do it? The GOP problem remains the idea that the independents, that is the folks who care so much about the future that they cannot be expected to have any idea what they want from election to election, can be expected to, this year, want the GOP party ladder climber du jour.
How'd that work out last time?
Oct '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
who's your pick?
Oct '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
if the nominee is romney, and obama won re-election, blame should be placed on the Republican establishment. I agree.
May '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
I doubt it. I think he believes that since there is no viable conservative running, Romney is our only chance of avoiding the utter disaster that a second Obama term would be.
Romney is clearly not going to be a conservative reformer. The conservative reformers will be leading from the House and the Senate. They'll be able to do that if there's a Republican in office. If there isn't, our only hope of saving the nation will be an act of God.
Edited on Oct 20, 2011 at 5:03pmOct '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
raycon:
How'd that work out last time? · Oct 20 at 4:53am
the TOP 3 GOP candidates in 2008 during the primaries:
1) McCain
2) Romney
3) Huckabee (a Big Gov't Social Con)
not exactly good choices for the tea party voter
Oct '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
John Marzan
who's your pick? · Oct 20 at 5:06am
If no other conservative comes along (white horse, great white hope?) how can we say it without the obvious slanders, then Herman Cain is, without doubt, the only Reaganesque conservative running.
For me, that characteristic is what will beat Obama, because he can meet the test of a winning GOP candidate... one who has the history and character required, and exudes optimism.
His debate performance shows a very strong conservative impulse even though some of the answers come across a bit lame. I would rather have my confidence in a man who shows a commitment to good governance than one who can perform on a quiz show. Especially one where the GOP has handed the agenda over to the party of the press with it's commitment to bring about the defeat of every single person on that stage.
Dec '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
raycon
John Marzan
who's your pick? · Oct 20 at 5:06am
If no other conservative comes along (white horse, great white hope?) how can we say it without the obvious slanders, then Herman Cain is, without doubt, the only Reaganesque conservative running.
For me, that characteristic is what will beat Obama, because he can meet the test of a winning GOP candidate... one who has the history and character required, and exudes optimism.
His debate performance shows a very strong conservative impulse even though some of the answers come across a bit lame. I would rather have my confidence in a man who shows a commitment to good governance than one who can perform on a quiz show. Especially one where the GOP has handed the agenda over to the party of the press with it's commitment to bring about the defeat of every single person on that stage. · Oct 20 at 7:00am
Cain is very Reaganesque. Younger conservatives today don't understand that Reagan probably had a more difficult path to the nomination and election than Cain does today.
Jun '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
He hasn't said anything of the sort. Sen. DeMint has been quite clear that he wants someone with appeal for conservative and "grass roots" (AKA-Tea Party) voters. When he talks about appealing to independent voters he isn't talking about moderates. Many of us are independent because the Republican Party is too moderate/ liberal.
Oct '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
John Marzan
Is Jim DeMint Saying he prefers "electability" over ideological purity?
Related: "Obama knows what he is doing" ·
I think Jim DeMint prefers as much ideological purity as one can reasonably expect to see elected.
Dec '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
John Marzan
raycon:
How'd that work out last time? · Oct 20 at 4:53am
the TOP 3 GOP candidates in 2008 during the primaries:
1) McCain
2) Romney
3) Huckabee (a Big Gov't Social Con)
not exactly good choices for the tea party voter · Oct 20 at 6:01am
So John McCain was SOOOOOOO electable in 2008, our best bet is to go with someone who couldn't even beat McCain that year?
"This word 'electability' - I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya
Apr '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
katievs
I doubt it. I think he believes since there is no viable conservative running, Romney is our only chance of avoiding the utter disaster that a second Obama term would be.
Romney is clearly not going to be a conservative reformer. The conservative reformers will be leading from the House and the Senate. They'll be able to do that if there's a Republican in office. If there isn't, our only hope of saving the nation will be an act of God. · Oct 20 at 5:31am
I don't think that this is clear to Jim DeMint, who endorsed Romney in 2008. But, then, Jim DeMint is a big squish who doesn't know anything about conservatism, right? Like Robert Bork, Darrell Issa, Thaddeus McCotter, and Jeff Flake, who have endorsed him this time round?
The Groupthink on Romney here might be right, and those of us who believe in his conservative might be wrong, but I like to think that Bork's conservatism isn't "clearly" ignorant or half hearted.
May '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
James Of England
The Groupthink on Romney here might be right, and those of us who believe in his conservative might be wrong, but I like to think that Bork's conservatism isn't "clearly" ignorant or half hearted. · Oct 20 at 4:34p
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James, don't put me in with anti-Romney groupthink. Among the current alternatives, I'm leaning toward him. I have more hope for good from a Romney administration than most members here, I think.
I favored him over McCain last time around.
But I don't imagine he's a conservative reformer by any stretch. Just the best among disappointing alternatives.
Edited on Oct 20, 2011 at 4:41pmOct '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
Stuart Creque
John Marzan
raycon:
How'd that work out last time? · Oct 20 at 4:53am
the TOP 3 GOP candidates in 2008 during the primaries:
1) McCain
2) Romney
3) Huckabee (a Big Gov't Social Con)
not exactly good choices for the tea party voter · Oct 20 at 6:01am
So John McCain was SOOOOOOO electable in 2008, our best bet is to go with someone who couldn't even beat McCain that year?
"This word 'electability' - I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya · Oct 20 at 4:18pm
2008 was a long shot for ANY Republican, with the economy crashing, and after eight years of GOP holding the White Hose. I'm not saying McCain was a great candidate, but never the less 2008 was extra tough.
May '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
Tom Wilson
2008 was a long shot for ANY Republican, with the economy crashing, and after eight years of GOP holding the White Hose. I'm not saying McCain was a great candidate, but never the less 2008 was extra tough. · Oct 20 at 4:49pm
As things played out--with the crash coming well after McCain had the nomination--I think Romney would have stood a much better chance of winning. There's no doubt he would have been better by orders of magnitude than Obama.
But I also happen to think he'll be a better President now than he would have been then. The disaster of the last four years, together with the rise of the Tea Party phenomenon, means that all that is best and most conservative in him will be buttressed and reinforced.
Oct '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
katievs
Tom Wilson
As things played out--with the crash coming well after McCain had the nomination--I think Romney would have stood a much better chance of winning. There's no doubt he would have been better by orders of magnitude than Obama.
But I also happen to think he'll be a better President now than he would have been then. The disaster of the last four years, together with the rise of the Tea Party phenomenon, means that all that is best and most conservative in him will be buttressed and reinforced. · Oct 20 at 4:57pm
Hi Katievs, I agree. I think Romney would have done better. McCain seemed almost anti business at times. I sure wanted him to win once we were past the primaries though, even if I was disappointed in many of his answers in the debates when it came to business profits. It was almost like he felt profit was dirty. A lifetime in government makes it hard to appreciate the challenges of the market place.
Apr '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
katievs
James, don't put me in with anti-Romney groupthink. Among the current alternatives, I'm leaning toward him. I have more hope for good from a Romney administration than most members here, I think.
I favored him over McCain last time around.
But I don't imagine he's a conservative reformer by any stretch. Just the best among disappointing alternatives.
I apologize for the unintended slur; you've been widely acknowledged as a particularly independent member of the community, and I didn't mean to suggest that your decisions were not your own. I do think, though, the language was stronger than would have arisen in a different environment. The most widely held attack on Romney's future is that his policies, eg., in the Jobs document or his Foreign Policy document, or his pledges to repeal Obamacare, are conservative reforms, but that he might not enact them, or might enact unforseen awfulness.
If you feel confident that he won't follow through on them (or feel that they're not conservative), then it would make sense to say that he's clearly not, and Bork is clearly wrong. If you are unsure, then he might be.
May '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
James Of England
The most widely held attack on Romney's future is that his policies, eg., in the Jobs document or his Foreign Policy document, or his pledges to repeal Obamacare, are conservative reforms, but that he might not enact them, or might enact unforseen awfulness.
Apology for the implied slur accepted, even though (truly) it wasn't necessary, since no offense was taken. I just wanted to be sure my own position is clear.
My doubts about Romney's conservative bona fides come from items such as his shifting position on abortion and his enactment of Romneycare. I was particularly perturbed by his attempt to justify the individual mandate as stemming from the conservative principle of "personal responsibility."
I submit that no true conservative could have committed such a grotesque blunder. It makes one worry about what else he misunderstands.
Still, if he gets good people around him, and if conservative make gains in the House and Senate, I have good hope that he may surprise the Ricochet anti-Romney bandwagon with what he does and doesn't do.
Jun '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
The good news is this primary race is drilling down to two candidates who could beat Obama. The bad news is both are far from perfect. I believe that Cain is more electable. His weakness is in foreign affairs, but nobody will have those strengths that hasn't been involved with government for years. Is there someone that has those skills that wouldn't be considered a statist and isn't statism what we are battling? Romney isn't a foreign policy buff either but I don't hear that objection raised against him. OTH, Romney can not contend against Obamacare when he has Romneycare wrapped around his neck. That takes a huge arrow out of his quiver during the Presidential campaign. Cain has values that are compatible with a large share of the voting black constituency (anti gay marriage and abortion) and could land him as much as 30% of the blacks and 40% or more of hispanics. I do wonder, however, if Cain has the ability to run a national Presidential campaign. His current organization did a terrible job of handling my contribution last week. It gave me a great deal of concern. There is still time.
Mar '11
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
Yeah, 2012 is the last chance, which makes the non-running of Mr Ryan and Mr Rubio all the more mystifying.
Which is why we are left with Mr Cain.
Mr DeMint will lose the tea party if he endorses Mr Romney.
Oct '10
Re: DeMint: 2012 ‘Might Be the Last Chance’ to Fix The Country
Stuart Creque
John Marzan
raycon:
How'd that work out last time? · Oct 20 at 4:53am
the TOP 3 GOP candidates in 2008 during the primaries:
1) McCain
2) Romney
3) Huckabee (a Big Gov't Social Con)
not exactly good choices for the tea party voter · Oct 20 at 6:01am
So John McCain was SOOOOOOO electable in 2008, our best bet is to go with someone who couldn't even beat McCain that year?
"This word 'electability' - I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya · Oct 20 at 4:18pm
Republicans would have voted for Romney in 08 if they knew in advance that the economy, not iraq or the surge, would dominate the discussion in late sept 08. And maybe many general election voters would have voted for romney over obama too for the same reason.