Two million YouTube views in two days.  Dad punishes daughter.  

And I am violating the Ricochet Code of Conduct by posting this.  But it's really blowing up on the internets, and it's exactly the kind of thing I'd like the smartest, wisest group anywhere to chime in on.

So, call it Executive Privilege.  Since this isn't really a democracy, I'll accept lashes from Peter and Peter alone.  

Still: fair warning:  There's some salty language, but it's PG-13, I promise.

I honestly don't know what to think about this.  So far, he's got 73k "Likes" on YouTube and only 5500 "Dislikes," so maybe that's saying something.  I have to confess, though, that I got seriously creeped out at the end.  Maybe it was the use of the "hollow points."  Or am I being a squish?

Special Note:  Sharp-eyed Ricochet member PracticalMary beat me to this post by several hours. Apologies to her!  If you commented there, feel free to cut and paste here....

Comments:


Rob Long
Lucy Pevensie  It's clearly not discipline as much as it is revenge. · 3 minutes ago

Yes!  That's exactly what troubles me about it.  It has nothing to do with teaching her a lesson.  It's just getting her back.  Thanks for putting it so clearly, Lucy.

katievs
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katievs

Rob Long: Parents, help me out here:  I get that in the moment, people (and parents are "people," I get that) can be a little wild-eyed and out of control in the anger department.  But to set up the computer, load up the .45, plan it all out -- don't you at some point in that process think, "You know what?  I'm just going to sit her down and yell at her," or something.

It's the public-ness that creeps me out.  That he seemed mad that she posted something about him on Facebook.  As if Facebook matters. · 5 minutes ago

For a father to publicly humiliate his daughter like that is seriously abusive, IMO.  A daughter should feel cherished and protected by her father's love and strength, not crushed by his power over her.

Edited on February 10, 2012 at 10:56pm
Gus Marvinson
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Gus Marvinson

Leigh: What was missing was anything to indicate "I love you, honey, and I'm doing it for your own good." 

Yes, if he spent all that time and money the day before I'm guessing he cares about his daughter; but it looks here like he is disciplining in anger, not love. · 1 minute ago

Of course he's disciplining in anger, I've never had the impulse to punish when my boys do something that makes me happy. If I have a criticism it is that maybe (I don't know because I don't live in that house) he has been on the whole too lenient and is struggling to retake a hill he should have conquered long ago.

But then his daughter is 15, so if my experience is any kind of tutor she probably changes personalities every 20 minutes and her mom and dad are playing parental whack-a-mole. 

Fricosis Guy
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Fricosis Guy

One thing he has backwards: one should pay kids for chores, but (gradually) stop buying them stuff.  She's 15 and probably still thinks money grows on trees.

Samuel Amaral
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Samuel Amaral

Rob Long

It's the public-ness that creeps me out.  That he seemed mad that she posted something about him on Facebook.  As if Facebook matters. · 10 minutes ago

I think the words she posted matter more than the platform itself. Would He be justified to be mad if He had witnessed her saying that live to her friend or over the phone ?

Jimmy Carter: How many years before some dude will ask Her out? · 6 minutes ago

Dating is so overrated, she is just 15.

Byron Horatio
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Byron Horatio

I am curious to know if anyone would feel differently if it was a 15 year old boy whose computer got destroyed?  Does the sex of the kid matter?  I don't know, but I wonder.  

The fact that the brat called her own step mother "the cleaning lady" warrants the destruction of his own property.  The kid sounds like an absolute narcissist, and who is spoiled with too much already.  Seems a bit late in the game to be putting the camel back out of the tent.   

Leigh
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Leigh

katievs

For a father to publicly humiliate his daughter like that is seriously abusive, IMO.  A daughter should feel cherished and protected by her father's love and strength, not crushed by his power over her. · 2 minutes ago

Edited 0 minutes ago

Totally agree.  That said -- if a girl made the kind of abhorrent statements she did, would you find it appropriate that some kind of public response would be necessary -- that he should ensure that what she said about her mother and "Linda" is repudiated?

Tommy De Seno

A little soul bearing here and I'm hesitant to do so considering the comments.

I did the same thing to my son's x-box.  Only I used my hands (real men don't fight with weapons).

Please don't think me rash.  This came after several semesters of him insisting his homework was done while he played it, only to find out the next day he never did his homework.  This came after punishing him by taking it away, only to find him hooking it back up at 3 a.m. to play it, or when I wasn't home.

So then he brought home an "F" on his report card.  I opened up a can of whoop-butt on the X-box.

It's been nothing but A's and B's ever since. 

All's well that ends well:  He got hold of another broken x-box, bought some tools and used the parts to make a new working X-Box.  For that effort I let him keep it.

DrewInWisconsin
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DrewInWisconsin

I think the number of "likes" indicates there's more going on here than just a bunch of people supporting this particular parenting action.

I suspect that if one could get the demographics of the likes, they'd find that the majority come from men -- and in particular dads.

Men are routinely told their opinions don't matter. Dads, in particular, are often suborned to the lowest status in the family. (See any sitcom for multiple examples.) I think what you're seeing is a bunch of people applauding a man, a dad, who has taken control (albeit rather boldly) of what many parents feel is often an uncontrollable situation.

In a small way, what you're seeing in its popularity is a cry from the culture wars.

Or maybe I'm overanalyzing it.

Edited on February 10, 2012 at 11:07pm
Justine Olawsky
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Justine Olawsky

I'm with the dad.  Daughter (almost 16) sounds like a snot who needs a wake-up call. Sometimes you have to go there. In fact, as a general rule, all teens on Facebook ought to have their laptops confiscated and/or shot.  Kids ought not to be social-networking.  They ought to be doing their chores, parsing Latin sentences, and working part-time at Wienerschnitzel to save up for college.

I'm thinking that the Facebook posting was the final straw on the back of a father utterly disturbed by an ever-increasing sense of entitlement and disrespect from his daughter.  How many screechings of "I hate you!" and slammings of the bedroom door preceded it? I truly doubt it was a case of finding this one post and then going ballistic.  And a public calling-out is entirely understandable.  Everything is public nowadays.  Live by the Facebook, die by the YouTube.

Gus Marvinson
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Gus Marvinson

A curiosity here is the difference in comments between Practical Mary's post of this video on the member page and Rob's post on the main page. The comments on the member page being generally approving and those here being generally disapproving.

Casey
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Casey

Tommy De Seno: A little soul bearing here and I'm hesitant to do so considering the comments.

I did the same thing to my son's x-box.  Only I used my hands (real men don't fight with weapons).

Please don't think me rash.  This came after several semesters of him insisting his homework was done while he played it, only to find out the next day he never did his homework.  This came after punishing him by taking it away, only to find him hooking it back up at 3 a.m. to play it, or when I wasn't home.

So then he brought home an "F" on his report card.  I opened up a can of whoop-butt on the X-box.

"Insanity is hereditary; you get it from your children." - Sam Levenson

Karen
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Karen

My father was a lot like this while I was growing up, which is probably why our relationship isn't great. I kept my distance and my nose clean, though. I wasn't foolish enough to have called him out publicly. "Shaming the family" was one of the worst possible sins you could commit in my family. Unfortunately, this is the way some people parent - through anger and intimidation. He's comfortable showing the whole world how immature he is. We model behavior for our children, so it's no surprise she acted out by criticizing her parents on Facebook. She's still a child though, and he's a grown man. At least he looks like one. Trouble is there's a lot of 13 year olds out there living in adult bodies. 


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Crystal Turner

My daddy punished me with a dramatic flair sometimes, too, because that's what it took to make me take  notice. It's a painful lesson for the girl, but it will make her think and rue. Especially since she can't get on the computer. ;-)

Whiskey Sam
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Whiskey Sam

The shooting the laptop was over the top, but bravo on the cleaning lady defense.  However, he's missing a good opportunity to teach his kid the value of money by not paying for doing chores. 

Leslie Watkins
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Leslie Watkins

Ugh. ... Very childish man. Then I heard ... "your mother, your stepmother" and immediately thought there's a lot more going on here than usual teen rebellion.  Apparently this daughter sprung from the head of the father. Hope she doesn't have a gun. Kind of think it would be a good idea if he didn't.

Samuel Amaral
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Samuel Amaral
Gus Marvinson: A curiosity here is the difference in comments between Practical Mary's post of this video on the member page and Rob's post on the main page. The comments on the member page being generally approving and those here being generally disapproving. · 7 minutes ago

Framing the issue condition the readers answer to it ? Just a theory :)

Rob Long

Tommy De Seno: A little soul bearing here and I'm hesitant to do so considering the comments.

I did the same thing to my son's x-box.  Only I used my hands (real men don't fight with weapons).

Please don't think me rash.  This came after several semesters of him insisting his homework was done while he played it, only to find out the next day he never did his homework.  This came after punishing him by taking it away, only to find him hooking it back up at 3 a.m. to play it, or when I wasn't home.

So then he brought home an "F" on his report card.  I opened up a can of whoop-butt on the X-box.

It's been nothing but A's and B's ever since. 

All's well that ends well:  He got hold of another broken x-box, bought some tools and used the parts to make a new working X-Box.  For that effort I let him keep it. · 3 minutes ago

Tommy, for some reason this just seems different to me.  I think what you did comes under the heading of "intervention!"

Misthiocracy
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Misthiocracy
Rob Long: I get that in the moment, people (and parents are "people," I get that) can be a little wild-eyed and out of control in the anger department.  But to set up the computer, load up the .45, plan it all out -- don't you at some point in that process think, "You know what?  I'm just going to sit her down and yell at her," or something.

It's the fact that he thought it through and implemented it so seriously that makes me like it so much.

When my mom got mad at me, she simply freaked out and acted irrationally.  One time she got mad and yanked on the power cable of my Commodore 64, sending it crashing to the ground. I yelled at her because she truly had no idea how expensive the thing was.  I learned nothing from the experience, other than "my mother is irrational and cannot control her emotions."

This guy, on the other hand, did NOT go off half-cocked in a mad frenzy. He implemented a carefully thought-out disciplinary strategy. He knows the value of the computer he destroyed. After all, he paid for it.

Douglas
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Douglas

I thought it was fantastic.Sounds like he's been pretty patient with her before now. As for "chill a little", he obviously planned this out. He decided to eat the cost of the laptop and the $130 upgrades he did. Looks like he weighed the decision to me, and considers the money well spent. Bravo to him.


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